This might blow your mind

[Magluvin]

The link to the thread here...

http://www.overunity.com/7988/has-overunity-been-achieved-check-this-link/

This post was made with 1 eye held open with all my strength using my free hand.

Magsleeps

[Magluvin]

In response to MH at our.   This is how we communicate. ;]  Its good though. This way 2 venues can pay attn.  ;] I guess. 

Mh

That is really suggestive of you to say once it is all built, to put a battery in the circuit.
MAGLUVIN   CLOSE YOUR EYES.   NOW COUNT BACKWARDS FROM 100 MAGLUVIN.
NOW IMAGINE THE SOUND OF A COOL EVENING BREEZE AND THE WARM SUN SLOWLY SINKING BELOW THE HORIZON........ 99   98  97.....

Nope, no batteries will be used in these experiments MH.    How about you build it and stick a battery.....        You wont use your time even to prove your point.  I am not at your bidding.  but thanks for giving your best effort here.  3 more years from now you will be saying the same things and doing nothing still.


I read a bit of the thread last night, with my one eye open.  I saw someone there complaining that you never build anything. How long has it been now?   Hmmm?

I rest my case. 

Now on the subject at hand, on the last page of that thread
http://www.overunity.com/7988/has-overunity-been-achieved-check-this-link/msg199279/#msg199279

Magnetman states that the LED could not light in this configuration.  Read what he says.

I suppose maybe he had not worked with pulse motors and gotten spikes that I have seen LEDs lit with many times. Just sayin.   Z had told me that the led isnt even necessary for the circuit to work. It is just an indicator of when the reed is activating. It is used to help tune the device as to reed position.

It is possible that if the reed is just on the far edge of the magnetic field from the magnet. as in, just close enough, that only one pole is activating the reed. So this would solve my issue with the differences between what the N and S poles separate functions are, being that diode would make each a different action in the circuit.
So it is possible that only 1 pole is functioning during the charge cycle.

I have had this where one pole seems weaker at activating the reed. OR, it could be possible the reed could be lightly magnetized, and causing it to be magnetically biased. And to simplify the idea and probably ease tuning, the reed can be biased with a tiny mag, as I have shown in my vids, so the reed wont activate with one pole, but will with the other.

Just thinking about it now, after all this time, more ideas are flowing as to the workings. I have more experience with bifi coils than I did at the time also, so that will help.



What if Z was getting lenzless effects as Marius on Romeros motor?
What if the reed shorts 1 coil while the mag pole is making a pass at the coil?
What if, being the coil has soo many turns, and bifi at that, that the speed up effect gets going at a lower rpm than what Romero had shown?
Lots to do.

There is nothing wrong with making a connection between Zs motor and Romeros in the sense of how things work, and getting the same results.

But there is something not quite right in the absolute assumption that there is a battery in the unit, and not a lick of proof of it.   

I am going to go over that thread tonight and pick apart what the posters were thinking at the time.

Meanwhile, til my parts come in, I have a bifi coil that I am going to construct the circuit around and put it to a rotor that I have that has very very little bearing friction and fiddle.

one more observation on the 2 drawings..

If the bifi wires are a different awg, then I would doubt that the schematic with the coils in series would be the correct one. They are in series, the blue and red coils with the diode at the coil to coil connection. It doesnt make much sense to do that as the smaller awg wire would be the determining factor as to how much current flows through both coils being in series. So my bet is on the other drawing with the parallel coils. Then we just have to try having the coils in different positions, to find out which one goes where as the drawing does not show it.  ;]

Back to work

Mags

[Magluvin]

This is a quote from MH at our in his duplicate thread of this one....

"The challenge you should impose on yourself is to figure out exactly what's happening with that fake magic coil-motor setup.  I was just articulating the same challenge to you that I would have given to myself.  If your plan is to try all combinations of coil windings, all sorts of different diodes, and all sorts of combinations and permutations of the reed switch in search of a "magic combination that works," then you are just becoming a brute-force automaton jumping through hoops.  That's not learning, that's just the status quo."


Wow. Are you serious MH?  ok, lets start with the 1st sentence...

Well, are you saying that with the coil I am going to try tonight and the other parts I listed, to figure out how to put a battery to that after its built?

I have other coils also. I could make a motor as you suggest with any of them and make a motor turn. Why would I want to make a motor that runs on a battery, when I have done that many many many many times?
Even a couple orbos. (Actually I made the first solid state orbo also. Before Naudin, check the dates)  And as motors, they work.  So where is the challenge?
Hiding the battery?  Finding out whats going on? (still on the first sentence in the mh quote above)  What? Finding out where to hide the battery?

MAGLUVIN, USE THE BATTERY MAGLUVIN, ITS YOUR ONLY HOPE.
Ok Mobiwan Henobi

MH, cmon man.  Im not looking to do magic trix, as you clearly suggest. You have seen what I can do. Do you seriously believe I could not fake a self running motor?

Im not here to make fakes, as you suggest. I used to work for a company called 077 Systems. Hidden safes, flip tags, strobes, motorization and controls, nail drop, smoke screen, triple flip tags, hidden radar detector systems, amplifier modification and repair, fiberglass, carbon fiber, kevlar, tune vented boxes, bandpass, series tuned band pass, dual chamber reflex(sweet if tuned right), multiple alternator systems, 40,000 watt systems, 28 12" subs, 7 Optima yellow tops, 500farads of caps, 1200watts RMS to a pair of 6 3/4 Pioneer Rev series components in a vehicle that has trophy's all over south Fl, including Datona Spring Break Nationals and Nopi Nationals at Atlanta speedway. Made it into the finals, but we couldnt go as the owner of the truck could not take off from work at that time. Deputy Sheriff.

I could go on.  We had 600w rms to the Pioneers, and they sounded great. At the volumes we wanted, we could smell them. So we bridged 2 4ch amps, 2 bridged channels to the mids and 2 to the tweets. At 1200w, we were 3db louder and no smell. Mags dont play.  Unregulated power supply amps. There is no substitute.

So, Where would you like me to hide your battery sir?      Your challenge is old M.
I can make a wheel for you also, if you cant find one. 

Ok, thats it for the first sentence. 

Second sentence...

Well if that is what you would do, then we both have different agendas. You know what I want to do, and now we know what you would do and want me to do. I dont really have an interest in what you would do there, as I have done quite a bit of that kind of stuff, many times. its not that difficult to be of any challenge to me. 

As for the last 2 sentences, the real long one and the last short one, they go hand in hand, and they speak for themselves. Ill let the people make up their own minds on that one. 

Mags

[Magluvin]

Im doing these conversations with MH for a point. Not because I think it relates to how to get this project working, but to show that some of the"experts" are not very helpful in working towards getting the device to work. As they are already set in their ways that it will not work(or is it another reason that I can think of? ), even though they have not built this very setup. So dont put any water in that bucket M, because it doesnt hold any. 

Here is more from MH. It is just part of the post, as the rest is... well go look. I covered some of it already or doesnt matter(see near end of this post).

"Mags:

The reason you would want to make a motor that runs on a concealed battery would be as a lesson for others.  Too many people look at clips like that and they believe that they are real.  That's how the Perendev motor guy got rich and then got busted and is now in jail.  To be honest though that is secondary to my main point.  My main point was to use your scope and your wits and construct a timing diagram for the device.  Show the voltages and currents induced into the circuit as the magnet rotates.  That would not be easy for most people to do, it's a challenge.  Then you explain the timing diagram and that explains how the device works. It also would clearly explain how it's impossible for the device to work unless you add a battery.  The whole point is to demystify the device."


Ok, first off, How many people here would rather that I, Magluvin, build a fake Z motor, rather than build one that might work for real?   First sentence. Easy one. 
Im for the real deal. Trix are for kids. 

Next

If too many people look at vids like that and believe they are real, do you not think that there are many other videos out there already doing just as you suggest that you could refer them to? Advertize those why dont you. I dont need to be reinventing the wheel, when there already is plenty to choose from. It doesnt get me any closer to my original goal, it delays it. 

I need to spend my time doing what this site here is intended for.  True Dat.

I am not Prendev. Im not taking investments. Im not building fakes.  Open source dude. You can google it. 


Now For Thee Maaain Event    MHs main point....  Ill start at the bottom

"It also would clearly explain how it's impossible for the device to work unless you add a battery.  The whole point is to demystify the device."

Can you see what Im trying to show here folks? If that is the belief, from an expert that never built the setup, then the rest of the main point doesnt really matter to me. Im dealing with someone that is deliberately, WITHOUT any proof, not a thread of it, guide all readers into the "There is no OU zone".  Plain and simple.

Ok, to bring an end to this post, MH? Where would you put the battery in this circuit? Please provide each action, in order, throughout the cycle, and show all voltages and waveforms. Thank you. 



Ok M, here is the circuit. Rearranged to simplify. The led, at the far right is cathode upward, to electrically match the original, parallel coil diagram. have at it. 

Mags

[Magluvin]

Also MH, it would be beneficial to give reasons as to why the position you chose for the battery to be in. Just so my 3 readers, oops, 1800+ readers, may fully understand where you are coming from exactly. Thank You.  AND MAY THE BATTERIES BE WITH YOU MOBIWAN.

MAGGY