Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

@.99:
I like the idea too. But don't you think that you, Brian Ahern, and Ainslie should all agree on how to calculate the amount of energy in the battery, to see how long it should run?

The way Ahern does it, which has not been questioned or corrected by Ainslie, is to simply multiply the amp-hour rating by the number of batteries and the number of seconds in an hour. He has illustrated this in at least two different "calculations" over several days, as I have shown in the images above.

Thus, 4 x 4 x 60 x 60 = 57600 "Joules" according to Ahern and, presumably, Ainslie. Dividing this by your 20 Watt output level to arrive at a number of seconds of expected runtime we arrive at 2880 seconds, or about 48 minutes. Ahern would be happy to call Ainslie's device "overunity" if it ran for 48 minutes at an output level of 20 Watts and continued running beyond that, if his statements concerning other battery calculations, as I've illustrated, is really the way he thinks it should be done.

So... I really think that some agreement about battery capacity in Joules needs to be arrived at here, Out In The Open For All To See and AGREE UPON, before continuing on to "test protocols".

I mean, if someone is measuring how far you are going to go on a tank of gas, and you say there are ten gallons in there, and I say that the same quantity of gas is actually only one gallon.... whose numbers are going to look better at the end of the run?

[poynt99]

Sure.

- 50V x 4Ah x 60 x 60 = 720,000J
- 720,000J / 20W = 36,000 seconds
- which is 10 hours. Hey, same number! 

[MileHigh]

Poor Rosie got nicely deconstructed and still has no response on the problem scope traces.

PW, I love your proposed test with the fan and the cylinder.  That removes the speed of the ambient air issue so touche!  Excellent proposed setup.

TK:  You screen caps will live on in infamy.

99:  Big thumbs up on the proposed battery test.

Rosie Posie:  You have to move past your unscientific anecdotal comments about the battery capacity and listen to the suggestions and follow-up on them.  Stop retreating behind the facade of the indignant old lady.  It's not gong to fly.  Stop the trash gutter talk about revealing people's identities.  What if your worst nightmare comes true and an insane free energy lurker kills somebody?  Wake the fuck up.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Sure.

- 50V x 4Ah x 60 x 60 = 720,000J
- 720,000J / 20W = 36,000 seconds
- which is 10 hours. Hey, same number! 

That works for me.

You've used the voltage times the current-hour rating, times the number of seconds in an hour, and then divided that by the 20 Watt figure to arrive at the number of seconds that it would take for a 20 W drain to deplete the original energy, and then converted that back to hours. All completely kosher methodology and correct arithmetic.

But you'll note that, in both of the battery capacity calculations by Ahern in the "protocol" thread in the new forum, he leaves out the voltage, and so arrives at a much smaller number than the true battery capacity. Applying his incorrect method here predicts only 48 minutes at 20 W.

And, of course, Ainslie hasn't corrected him.

So I think that it is Ainslie who should show some competency in making this kind of calculation, and it is she who should be correcting mistakes like Ahern's IMMEDIATELY that they occur.

In the interests of scientific accuracy and intellectual honesty, you understand.

[TinselKoala]

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TK:  You screen caps will live on in infamy.

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MileHigh

Yes, it would seem to be the best way to preserve forum posts and other interesting stuff. Linking to the post.... links can disappear or break, the post could be edited or removed, etc. Quoting the post: you miss a lot of information and the accusation could be made that the quotation is altered.

Taking the screenshot preserves a lot of data and it's not editable at all by the originator of the post and not easily by me or anyone else.
On my Linux system there is a free and easy screenshot program that I use, it's fast and flexible, just called "gnome-screenshot" as far as I can tell. For Windows systems I recall liking a program called ScreenShotPilot, I think. Mac users can photograph their computer screen with their iPhone.