Testing the TK Tar Baby

[poynt99]

Sir gmeast has not admitted any of his errors, in particular the one regarding how to compute INPUT power using the average battery voltage and current.

Therefore, we have to assume he still believes (as does Rosemary) that the battery voltage should be reduced by the duty cycle before computing Vavg x Iavg. 

That is clearly incorrect.

And one other thing gmeast should realize, is the method I put forward DOES work. However, when working in a noisy environment with 1mV signal levels  , one experienced in the art SHOULD know that results will be variant. In addition, most DSO's exhibit DC offsets, and unless calibrated out before measurement, will of course skew any measurement involving magnitudes on the same order as the offset.

[gmeast]

Sir gmeast has not admitted any of his errors, in particular the one regarding how to compute INPUT power using the average battery voltage and current.

Therefore, we have to assume he still believes (as does Rosemary) that the battery voltage should be reduced by the duty cycle before computing Vavg x Iavg. 

That is clearly incorrect.

And one other thing gmeast should realize, is the method I put forward DOES work. However, when working in a noisy environment with 1mV signal levels  , one experienced in the art SHOULD know that results will be variant. In addition, most DSO's exhibit DC offsets, and unless calibrated out before measurement, will of course skew any measurement involving magnitudes on the same order as the offset.

No poynty-head! Your method does NOT work and you have NO standard, accepted measurement method against which to verify your flawed technique.  You and TK should go get married ... you make the perfect couple. And TK, nothing you say merits a response in any form.  And poynty-head, what's your definition of acknowledging a mistake ... a 100 page dissertation recognizing YOU as the king of science and presented before Congress? Your ego is enormous! As I said before, I am having the last laugh, and so are some of the people following this thread and seeing how easy it is to get you two to waste so much time typing all of your babble.  Do either of you have real jobs? Your buttons are SO EASY to push. This thread is not a scientific forum, it's a social forum of the worst defaming, character assassinating type.  You both act as children pouting and stomping your feet because either you're not getting your way or someone is disagreeing with you view(s).  Misery loves company. It is comical entertainment at its best. Done.

[poynt99]

And while we're on the topic, one also needs to realize that DSO's have a limited resolution, typically 8 bits. Working with signals down in the lower bit range of the scope is of course going to introduce measurement error.

And there is this nugget from Sir gmeast:

What's interesting is I used both the scope method and the poynty-head DVM method which ended up in utter disagreement ... THESE ARE NANO-SECOND TRANSIENTS, NOT SMOOTH ROTATING SINE WAVES FREQUENCIES!

This clearly demonstrates that he does not actually understand the methodology I put forward and that he did not perform the measurement correctly.

When performed correctly, the DMM method can out-perform any DSO.

[poynt99]

You and TK should go get married ... you make the perfect couple. And TK, nothing you say merits a response in any form.  And poynty-head, what's your definition of acknowledging a mistake ... a 100 page dissertation recognizing YOU as the king of science and presented before Congress? Your ego is enormous! As I said before, I am having the last laugh, and so are some of the people following this thread and seeing how easy it is to get you two to waste so much time typing all of your babble.  Do either of you have real jobs? Your buttons are SO EASY to push. This thread is not a scientific forum, it's a social forum of the worst defaming, character assassinating type.  You both act as children pouting and stomping your feet because either you're not getting your way or someone is disagreeing with you view(s).  Misery loves company. It is comical entertainment at its best. Done.

This is where our very own logic guru extraordinaire would normally chime in (if he was fair and equitable that is) and ever-so-politely point out your ginormous red herring. 

[TinselKoala]

No poynty-head! Your method does NOT work and you have NO standard, accepted measurement method against which to verify your flawed technique.  You and TK should go get married ... you make the perfect couple. And TK, nothing you say merits a response in any form.  And poynty-head, what's your definition of acknowledging a mistake ... a 100 page dissertation recognizing YOU as the king of science and presented before Congress? Your ego is enormous! As I said before, I am having the last laugh, and so are some of the people following this thread and seeing how easy it is to get you two to waste so much time typing all of your babble.  Do either of you have real jobs? Your buttons are SO EASY to push. This thread is not a scientific forum, it's a social forum of the worst defaming, character assassinating type.  You both act as children pouting and stomping your feet because either you're not getting your way or someone is disagreeing with you view(s).  Misery loves company. It is comical entertainment at its best. Done.

So you choose, as usual, not to refute any of my points, or .99's poynts, by PROVING US WRONG or addressing the various points in our comments. Instead you choose to flame and insult, engaging in the very same things you decry in others. You, GMEAST, have been manipulated by Ainslie's lies and delusional claims, and are wasting your time and money.
NOTHING WE HAVE TOLD YOU ABOUT AINSLIE AND HER CIRCUIT HAS BEEN REFUTED BY YOU or anyone else.

You talk about having the "last laugh"..... Well we had the FIRST LAUGH when you started trying to "replicate" Ainslie's mendacious claims.... because you are talking to at least three people here on this thread who did the same thing you did, three and four years ago: we all built that earlier circuit and this circuit and found that Ainslie's claims were bogus, unsupported by her own data and unsupportable by any replicators who used her circuit as published. SHE LIED TO YOU over and over about her circuit and its performance. YOU WERE SUCKERED IN to your current project by her OUTRIGHT LIES. And all that you have been doing for months now is trying to save your own EGO, to save face, trying to find something, anything, to justify your tinkering with some wild derivative of Ainslie's bogus circuitry. But we've been telling you the truth, truths that would have saved you a lot of time and trouble had you researched them and believed them. Remember Ainslie's published 555 timer circuit?

And in another year or two, when you've finally realised that there is nothing happening other than poor measurement in your circuit, will you be laughing then? I will.

You cannot refute anything that I or .99 or MH or FTC have told you. So you don't..... you simply insult and flame, defending an indefensible position and making poor measurements and bad conclusions based on them.

There are plenty of people laughing, GMEAST: they are laughing at you and your heroine Rosemary Ainslie.

Who is going to point out GMEAST's red herring, his non-sequturs, his continual resorting to ad hominem argument, when he cannot muster facts to support his contentions? Not Wilby.... he always disappears whenever I remind him and the other viewers about the lying, tricky, trolling game he played on me back when I was a naive forum poster. But he'll be back, just like a cold sore blister.

The FIRST LAUGH: