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[Mr Logic]

Thanks e2matrix, I also wonder (not being a prophet of doom but using the principle of intertia, things tend to continue as they are) how long this same argument will continue into 2013 after the nth delay and postponement. I think my relative patience seems to come with being around in the early days and seeing one after another of these evaporate after an average of three years in the media and later the internet. And yes, whoever said it, they are little different from the doomsday cults, the only difference being is as I know people who have personally managed these feats on paper and in reality but do not have the means to enter production (the money required for all but the really cheap units is prohibitive as you'd expect). Therefore I am guessing the technology can exist and am disappointed how badly run the companies and individual manufacturers are in wasting everyone's time announcing things when in fact they are trying to attract funds and nowhere near a working model.

If they were removed somehow from the system before they could taint it then the remainder would be genuine, pre-funded and fit for purpose before they were announced. But as so far these guys follow the previous one's pattern in unison and come out half cocked they actually lose far more potential support although some may get a few grand bunged at them by over-enthusiastic investors. I wish Quentron is different but it's actually an archetypal example so far. There are the standard stages of initial offer, optimism, claims, followed by a period of deadly quiet, followed by a few quiet apologies blaming everyone except themselves, then contrition, new optimism, revelation dates, further delays, apologies, excuses etc, until they quietly vanish into the shadows they appeared from. This one looks like it's in the final stages to me, approaching the final death rattle. I wish I was wrong but looking towards history it's never been any different to now.

[e2matrix]

Thanks e2matrix, I also wonder (not being a prophet of doom but using the principle of intertia, things tend to continue as they are) how long this same argument will continue into 2013 after the nth delay and postponement. I think my relative patience seems to come with being around in the early days and seeing one after another of these evaporate after an average of three years in the media and later the internet. And yes, whoever said it, they are little different from the doomsday cults, the only difference being is as I know people who have personally managed these feats on paper and in reality but do not have the means to enter production (the money required for all but the really cheap units is prohibitive as you'd expect). Therefore I am guessing the technology can exist and am disappointed how badly run the companies and individual manufacturers are in wasting everyone's time announcing things when in fact they are trying to attract funds and nowhere near a working model.

If they were removed somehow from the system before they could taint it then the remainder would be genuine, pre-funded and fit for purpose before they were announced. But as so far these guys follow the previous one's pattern in unison and come out half cocked they actually lose far more potential support although some may get a few grand bunged at them by over-enthusiastic investors. I wish Quentron is different but it's actually an archetypal example so far. There are the standard stages of initial offer, optimism, claims, followed by a period of deadly quiet, followed by a few quiet apologies blaming everyone except themselves, then contrition, new optimism, revelation dates, further delays, apologies, excuses etc, until they quietly vanish into the shadows they appeared from. This one looks like it's in the final stages to me, approaching the final death rattle. I wish I was wrong but looking towards history it's never been any different to now.

I'm not sure how much of this msg. thread you have read but I believe quite the opposite.   I've also had private emails with the inventor.   Do you know he just came to America in the last couple months to work with some people at Stanford University and to make arrangements with some Silicon valley companies that are able to handle the high level of precision nano scale manufacturing needed to produce these?   He just left a week or two ago to return home to Australia for the Holidays and will come back here again to move forward soon.   All this at his own expense and I don't personally see anything from the Inventor  that sounds like anything bad at all.  It sounds simply like any project being done the first time takes longer than you expect.   I once worked on a job where I built a certain phase of a yacht.   It took me 7 or 8 hours to complete each one the first week.  I was then told I had to be able to do it in 2.5 hours.  I was told if I could do it quicker than that I could sit on my butt if I wanted to.  Within a few weeks I had gotten it down to where I could do it in 45 minutes sometimes.  My point is simply that the inventor is doing many things for the first time.   If he had done this 20 times before and he said he would be ready by December 1st and he missed that by more than a few days I would question what's going on.  But he has never nor has anyone else EVER done what he is now doing.   So I don't know why people are surprised when he misses a few dates on this.  I know I have more patience than many people but some around here act like a little kid having a tantrum that he didn't get his ice cream fast enough.   Maybe it's the fear of the doomsday predictions or the possibility of the economy falling apart that is driving people to be short on patience.  I had hoped to have a 'free energy' system in place by now.   I do have some in place with solar but not enough to fully run things the way I'd like.   I keep looking at all the new things that come along and prefer to encourage inventors rather than stifle them with a lot of negative statements especially if they are not asking for money nor asking people here to dish out their own money to build replications.   Phil (the inventor) is not asking for either of those things but rather came here seeking some ideas along the lines of how best to get this out to the public.   So I still have a hard time understanding why it is people want to bash him every way to Sunday unless they have some agenda.   I may have a slightly different take on Milehigh now after some PM's.   If I am to believe what he states he simply likes to debate free energy.   But I'm not fully on the side of believing that 100% yet.   I'm just a couple steps to the right of where I was on MH's motives here.   

    Having had a fairly good start understanding the scientific method I used to be initially a skeptic.   But along the way I began to understand how the very nature of our current 'science' seems to make new invention or discovery of anything a nearly impossible nightmarish maze of BS intent on stifling anything that might challenge a major or even minor established 'theory'.  While there is some good reason for having an obstacle course in place I do believe the ego's of scientists involved, the investments by those in power and the resistance to change anything that would upset any large economic systems has made a nearly impossible course for most to navigate.   So now I do all I can to encourage anything that has not been solidly proven false and from the aspect of sociology and/or psychology I believe it is a much better choice for those who actually want to have free energy (or much more affordable energy) to encourage inventors than to badger, stifle, demean, harass and relentlessly go after them like some rabid pitbull.   If a technology or invention is not valid it will become obvious at some point all on it's own without all the other nonsense. 

    I just had another theory spring to mind as to why some are so impatient here to have proof.   There may be some here with money to invest who are looking to get a jump on a new technology even if it is not with the inventor himself they might be looking at putting money into a company that buys a license for quenco.  Let's say Intel buys a license but AMD does not.   In a year Intel is making motherboards and CPU's with an internal power supply which never needs to be plugged into an outside energy source - NEVER.  It even provides power for the hard drives - a self running computer that never needs to be plugged in - not even for charging.   What will happen to Intel stock?     

[lumen]

You don't think a "post" is a unit?

Yes a post is a unit of......of......well, how about you tell us sarkeizen, because most of us here already know what one of your posts is a unit of.
Just like a ring in your nose.

Why don't you tell us what you know about 2LOT and Philip's experimental proof. That would be more on subject.

[e2matrix]

Milehigh,  In the past it seemed that people who either got banned here or banned at energeticforum, or they had issues with either of those 2 major energy discussion forums would go to overunityresearch forum.  That's just the way it seemed to me anyway and I've seen plenty of grumbling over there about OU and EF forums so it tends to reinforce my feeling.  So I somewhat looked at that as the place for misfits to go although it's far from really being that but I'd say it leans that way - sorry poynt99 - just my opinion.   I just went over there now to check in as I was going to send you my last 3 posts I made there since every one of them was a post by me calling this or that concept a fake and exposing what I had found in some cases.  In one case I was the first one on this forum to find proof of the fakery and posted it here since the same topic had come up here.   I called out 3 different devices as being fake and explained how I thought they were faked or in the one case showed proof.  I went to overunityresearch.com to send you a PM of those 3 posts so you could see I'm not just a cheerleader of everything that comes along as you said. 
    But I can't find you in the member list there anymore.  I thought that was sort of your main forum you debated on.   Did you get banned from there?    Well if you did you can still probably read my messages I was going to PM you there.  Look for #34 and #44 in the "The TPU principle rediscovered!" thread and #10 in the "Claimed self-running AC motor-generator + load" thread.   It's obvious I don't always play the 'cheerleader'.   Okay I'm done for a while.   Your turn   

[sarkeizen]

Yes a post is a unit of......of......well, how about you tell us sarkeizen, because most of us here already know what one of your posts is a unit of.

Yawn.  When you're cornered you change the subject.  How original.  Why not just admit you were wrong? or confused...I mean you seemed to have some problem with what I was typing but you couldn't - other than using strawmen - come up with an argument.  Now you seem to realize that I was right but you just want to be a jerk about it.  Way to seize the moral high-ground there.

Why don't you tell us what you know about 2LOT and Philip's experimental proof. That would be more on subject.

Why don't you read what I've already posted?  By the by "proof" isn't a very good term since it's rather hugely ambiguous.  I prefer talking about evidence.