Bessler , Karl I! The fat lady is gonna sing , haters bring it I'm not skeered .

[circle]

i was kinda hoping that you were on to something
as the silence seems to indicate that there will be no operatic ovation i have decided to speak on your behalf on the matter of solution
i have the correct design

my most recent post was directed in part at comments in this thread as this thread is a honeypot for those who find themselves seeking from scratch
perhapse i would have posted in this thread if it had not already degenerated as threads so often do
i suppose if i had an abundance of time and no solution i might also fall to such interpersonal banter as a low form of entertainment

no disrespect for hillbillys
it was a hillbilly friend of mine who happened to recall that his grandfather had operated a 'buzzsaw' gravity wheel for more than 60 years in the east of TN
though he was a child at the time, the stern warning he received was simply to point out that if he got caught in it there would be nothing that could be done until it had wound down
for 60 years it was used to mill lumber without the need for fuel
i can describe its operation as well thanks in large part to his detailed descriptions of the sounds and rythems it produced
and also his description of the other spring and its lever
and his decriptions of the use of the springs that optionaly were attached to the outside of the weights
and the many comments his father and grandfather had made about its use
turns out, as solutions go..   when it rains, it pours...

(the two wheels his late grandfather has sitting in a shed are newer and more efficient designs than the 1909 one that has appeared in photographs on the web)

in the 1980s, after years of use, it eventually distorted the resting shape of the spring to the point that it would jam too frequently to be of use
and in the interest of privacy on the matter.. (as he realized that these had been removed from the public during the dark days of the depression [the one in the 1930s.. not the one going on now]) he chose to purchase a gas powered motor to replace it instead of attempting to approach 'city slickers' to repair it
he was never happy with the poweroutput of the gas powered motor
no wonder.. compressed gas does not transfer mechanical energy efficiently

thanks to his detailed information i have a decent handle on what goes on inside this second more powerful form of so called perpetual motion.. (neither design is truly perpetual.. both depend on a spring to store energy)
but consider; this device was produced and developed and eventually removed from public view

and there in lies what may perhaps be a warning

and if one is to consider the posibility of an unanounced threat; one of the more decent clues that can be considered when attempting to gauge the nature of those who are responsible for such removals is the dates at which the various pattent offices began rejecting devices on the grounds that they purported to be PM

if there be any grain of truth to any so called 'conspiracy theory' the idea of caution here is no simple matter of paranoia. getting full comprehension of the truth on such matters may be a seperate field of study yet still be foundationaly related.

but back to the main point.. the bessler wheel is 'childhood toy' simple
for me it is a bit reminiscent of seeing a room full of people struggle with a chinese puzzle only to unanimously declare that it can not be done

my most recent post was made in a thread that can at least claim to have retained civility in the exchange of information;
http://www.overunity.com/558/bessler-wheel-design/

seriously.. i solved this years ago
also years ago, i posted this fact
if you are really here to discuss the correct design for this device
why have i not heard from you?

[zoelra]

@Circle

Any chance you have or can acquire a photo of those 2 wheels?  Or can you get any information regarding the cradle the wheels sat in?

In your February 02, 2013, 07:26:18 AM post, you mentioned that MT21 is only one layer.  Your mention of the Buzzsaw here as a solution seems to suggest that it must be another layer.  Can you elaborate further on the connection?

[ace569er]

@ circle enlighten me....How do the springs function? How is the energy stored and reused? Also when stored is all the weight pressure absorbed by the spring negating it out?

Here are two ideas I drew real quick. They are on axles though I did not draw them. The translucent area is just the path. The ramps are white. There is only one weight per slot. I just added more to see placement. Most likely won't work, and I don't care to build it but....I do feel springs, centripetal force, and maybe water buoyancy, hold the key.

[circle]

@Circle

Any chance you have or can acquire a photo of those 2 wheels?  Or can you get any information regarding the cradle the wheels sat in?

In your February 02, 2013, 07:26:18 AM post, you mentioned that MT21 is only one layer.  Your mention of the Buzzsaw here as a solution seems to suggest that it must be another layer.  Can you elaborate further on the connection?

no chance for a photo at present
and at the moment i have not heard from the old hillbilly friend for some time now..
if he comes around i will ask for detail on items i see here
untill then all accounts of his that i post here can only be shown to have the legal status of hearsay
i may not have been specific enough when asking about the structure it rested upon or more accuratly he may not have been clear in explaining the detail of it but i was told it was moved to whichever site to mill wood as needed if that helps

there is no relation between the two wheels
this newer one uses a single large powerful coil spring and is effectively a selfwinding device

the bessler wheel has as many springs as it has pairs of weights
it really would take very few words to express the function clearly
i am still avoiding doing that

i explained the device to a person who happens to be employed by the united states government as a physicist
in less than two minutes with few words and perhaps as many hand gestures to indicate position etc. i was told emphaticaly that i 'really should do something with this!!'

this message board may not be the penacle of media exposure and it may also not be the greatest meeting place for the movers and shakers of the world but all the same
i am throwing this claim out here for all to see and react to ..hardly seems to amount to 'doing something' with it though..   ..we will see who responds to the admittedely incredulous claim

if you want my input toward that device send me in private some general idea of what you are doing and i will try to contribute usefully

[ace569er]

I'm bored.... If you explain it well enough I'll draw it in sketch up, and post. See others can see it to understand...