My Invention

[TinselKoala]

what you posted >>  Well, you just blew any chance of patenting that scheme, if that was your intention, by publishing your claims and drawings publicly.  <<
  What I had already posted.
On 3rd page.Provisional Application for Patent Filing Date Requirements It can be filed up to one year following the date of first sale, offer for sale, public use, or publication of the invention.
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/ProvApp.pdf
 
why trying working in an overunity forum is a waste of time.

Whatever, dude. If you don't want to read the actual LAW, that's your business.
The fact that you've got nothing patentable, at least not in what you've posted here, is beside the point. Get a patent lawyer, you will need one.

And yes.... you are wasting your time. That much we can agree on.

[johnny874]

  @All,
This is just to protect the rights to my invention as stated by the USPTO and which I referenced in my first post.
The drawing is for reference purposes and is to illustrate the mechanics involved in my invention.
When the swinnging weight is in it's lower position, it would swing inward to location B where a catch would support the weight.
In this position, it is closer to the fulcrum X than the counter weight at the position Z2. This would cause the invention to tilt
to the right lift the swinging weight weight to position C where it would be released.
Because point Y2 is firther from point X than Z2 is, the cross bar would tilt to the left lowering the swinging weight's fulcrum and the swinging weight itself. This would allow the swinging weight's return motion to be along path A.
Location O is where the line(s) lifting and lowering catch mechanism would be tied to a peg extanding from the cross bar. The pulleys lettered G are attached to the frame of the invention. The pulley lettered H is attached to the cross beam and moves with it. It is this series of pulleys that would help the invention to work in perpetuality as the catch mechanism can be placed where it works with the swinging weight to increase it's potential by lifting it higher than it's kinetic would allow it move.

edited to add, with a working perpetual motiion machine, there will be some fame but this does not mean much money would be made from it. For that to happen, people would need to buy one and they might not find it worth the money.

[johnny874]

  may see about building a model. have only a saw and a dremel motor with a 1/8 inch drill bit to work with.
it's almost a form of self abuse.
edited to add; have contactec one business tbat sells products similar to this and would have the means to help devolop it even though it might not take much.
myself, haven't worked since May because trying to work through my medical problems proved to be to much,
am now being treated by the V.A.
so um, how to put ? have been trying but have mostly met critics. a working device might help me to get my medical situation resolved so I could return to work.
guess I have the motivation other people are missing.

[johnny874]

  The wood to build something for the dimensions given would be about $7.
The main problem with such a small scale build is the need for precision. it
would create more headaches by trying to do things under difficult circumstances.
The most important part of the design is the catch and release mechanism which
would lift the weight. It would need a ratchet type catch that a dowel or steel pins
extending from the sides of the weight could move past the catches. And once the
weight has been lifted, a "stop" could depress the catch releasing the swinging weight.
While the weight is being lifted, it's weight would be supported by the catch. This is
what would allow it's force to be calculated from the position of the catch and not the
fulcrum.
And this is something that might need to be done with some precision to allow the
invention to work. So, to the detractors, even if made out of wood, it is still a machine
and would need to function properly in order to work.
Basically, it does require being able to do a proper build to make doing something
like this worth while. Otherwise you get the garbage that has been posted in this thread.
And yes, it does take a lot of effort to design something that can work. Every detail needs
to be accounted for. As such, the stanchion in the middle supporting the cross beam could
be 3/8 of an inch wide with 4 pieces attaching it to a base that goes around the invention.
The base could be nothing more than a rectangle made from the same 3/8th's x 4 board the
main stanchion is cut from. As for the pins that route the lines for the catch and release mechanism,
2 1/8" dowels on each side with a 1/4" thick board that can support one end of the steel pin would
work.
The ratchet type devices could be angled pieces of wood that rotate on a steel 1/8th " pin and have
a weight that holds them in the up position. This weight should not be enough to stop the swinging
weight from moving past it. With a spring, they would wear out at some point and need to be replaced.
I think I have covered everything.
Oh, the cross beam, it could be 1/4" wide (thick actually) with 2 - 1/4" pieces (making a 1/2" piece)
between 2 cross beam lengths. The 2 pieces in the middle (the 1/2" thickness) would have aV shape
cut upwards into it. This would allow the main stanchion to have a narrower angle that would allow
the cross beam to rock back and forth on it without the benefit of a fulcrum. You know what I mean,
it would not need a pin and hole for a pivot.
And when the swinging weight is being lifted, it could be in a straight line between the bottom where it is caught
and the top where it is released. The reason for this is if the swinging weight's fulcrum is the same distance from center as
the center of gravity for it's weight, then it would have off setting motins. The fulcrum would swing in an arc that
would prevent the weight being lifted from having an arcing motion of it's own. that is so obvious, I'm not even sure why I bothered to emntion it.
And of course, if soemone thinks I missed something, they can build it and show ME where I did.
And like I said, this will lead to that Bessler wheel someone said I know won't work.
Guess not much else to say because it would probably take you guys a few days going over all the details to start understanding the construction and operation of this machine.

edited to add; some basic drawings to show how some of the machine can be built as described.
With the release for the swinging weight, a line attached to the frame could pull down on the ratchet type device when it has lifted the swinging weight to it's desired height.
Will I build it ? Probably not. I'd have nothing to talk about. By the way, I was trained on the CATIA systems Boeing uses to design airplanes on.
It's short for 3 dimensional interactive design. That plus have much experience with complex blueprints. One reason why I was able to understand Bessler's mechanical drawings.
Anyway, what I drew I learned back in junior high school. That type of layout.

[johnny874]

  @All,
I am going to work up to a build. One reason why some people decide to work of line is to ensure they get crecit for their work and not some troll camping out.
Idea's do need to be developed which does take time and effort which would bring up the question of why bother with self proclaimed experts who have nothing to show.
Wbile an idea like this is simple enough, it still tales a lot of paying attention to detail and probably 2 or 3 builds to get it right.
It's this last reason why no one has done it yey. It's not that someone hasn't had a workable idea but the crap from trolls camping out.

Jim