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The Closed System Video; on here

Started by mscoffman, August 21, 2012, 11:15:18 AM

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mscoffman

August 21, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
The first Closed System Video at the beginning of Overunity.com
omits one important point. The round object is a running
precharged rotating gyroscopic weight. Notice how carefully
he handles it or if not it would flip-out. The constant resultant
RPM really gives it away. The gyroscope precesses when it
is on it's frame...Big deal. Anyone got a segway...stage left?

:S:MarkSCoffman

Bruce_TPU

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August 21, 2012, 11:47:57 AM
Quote from: mscoffman on August 21, 2012, 11:15:18 AM
The first Closed System Video at the beginning of Overunity.com
omits one important point. The round object is a running
precharged rotating gyroscopic weight. Notice how carefully
he handles it or if not it would flip-out. The constant resultant
RPM really gives it away. The gyroscope precesses when it
is on it's frame...Big deal. Anyone got a segway...stage left?

:S:MarkSCoffman
I'm not saying this is real (or not) but I disagree with your assesment.  No rotation in the weight, inner or outer.  If outer, he would not be able to handle it as he does, and if inner, you would hear it, as the all thread is inside of it. IMHO

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

ibpointless2

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August 21, 2012, 11:52:57 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on August 21, 2012, 11:47:57 AM
I'm not saying this is real (or not) but I disagree with your assesment.  No rotation in the weight, inner or outer.  If outer, he would not be able to handle it as he does, and if inner, you would hear it, as the all thread is inside of it. IMHO

Cheers,

Bruce




I agree about there being no rotation, you would hear it and would have some slight rocking movement when he picks it up. He seems to be flinging it around a little to hard.


but has anyone else noticed that bar "C" the top horizontal bar never touches the vertical bar?


This experiment does remind me of the classic physic experiment where you have someone sit in a chair that rotates and you have them hold a bike wheel that is in motion and which ever way the rotate the wheel the chair would move.

e2matrix

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August 21, 2012, 12:16:02 PM
I do not believe that can work as shown.  My personal belief is that there is a motor in the base.  The on-off switch goes up through the vertical pole and is activated when the metal bars touch by putting the weight on.   IIRC the veproject.org mentioned in the video was a site (does not seem to be currently available) which showed many 'perpetual motion' machines all of which were done with hidden tricks.  I don't think they actually claimed they were real but rather seemed to be challenging people to figure out how they were done.    IMO - this is FAKE and I'm sure with careful analysis you could explain why with vector math and physics.   After all the force being applied is attached to the same object it is being applied to so how can it actually cause movement.  Can you get in a cart and push yourself down the road without touching the ground or wheels?  I could push on my back as hard as I want but I know I won't be moving anywhere.  Same scenario here I think. 

  Also notice the motion when starting and stopping appears to be a sudden on/off motion with no slow build up or slowdown as one would expect if it was actually being started by a pushing weight.  It jumps immediately to one speed and stays there until the weight is removed than it stops totally and suddenly rather than coasting a bit as I would expect.

TinselKoala

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August 21, 2012, 02:59:45 PM
I am LOLing at this all over the floor.

1. Look at the source of the video. It is from an educational website that is making "working" models of all kinds of historical Perpetual Motion machines.

2. The "explanation" given is a clear mockery of the mistaken mechanics of the typical OU builder who doesn't understand torques and moments and arms. If I didn't know better I'd think it was specifically directed at one or two posters on this very website as a satire of their planned "ou" leverage systems.

3. Certainly there is nothing gyroscopic going on; and anyone who has ever built a REAL gyroscopic precession device knows why and how. For a precession torque to be generated the suspended weight MUST be free to fall, even though it doesn't when precessing. Finally... a TRUE gyroscopic precession demonstrator that exhibits the "Laithewaite" bicycle wheel/rotating chair phenomenon is far more interesting and astounding in its behaviour than this simple bit of stage magic fakery. It will make you believe in antigravity from gyroscopes, the behaviour of a REAL system is that astounding.

I don't know what's more funny.... the fact that these people are doing what they clearly state that they are doing, or the fact that people actually believe that what they are demonstrating... and mocking.... with these videos is real.

;D


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