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[johnny874]

   @All,
Here are 2 pictures. One is from wikipedia.org and the other is the one I modified.
What tinselfkoala is claiming is that when he used Mr.Wayne's idea that it became HIS invention.
People before have tried using different size tubes to achieve overunity and none have ever worked.
And if anyone looks at the design that pirate88719 posted, that is what ttinselfkoala built. He DID NOT
build what any of my drawings and or pictures demonstrate. And quite specifically that 2 pressure heads
can be acted on differently by allowing for one container to have the ability to over flow into the chamber
being pumped in the manner of Heron's Fountain.

And to quote tinslelf mocking me once again, this is getting olde;
Re: Modified Heron's Fountain« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2012, 03:08:22 PM »Quote
You just wait. Someday, when I can get out of bed, I'll build the world's best perpetual motion machine, using a 2000 year old design and then there is this;Re: Modified Heron's Fountain« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2012, 04:41:30 PM »Quote
Yeah, and I'm sure you will PROVE ME WRONG.
and  Re: Modified Heron's Fountain« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2012, 05:07:02 PM »Quote
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The reason why is the larger tube has a surface area of about 1.75 cubic inches and tne smaller tube has .05 cubic inches.

Priceless. Surface area is now measured in cubic inches. Who knew?  end quote
In this last quote, tinself koala shows he does not understand the relationship between surface area and volume, but a surface area of 1 squasre inch that is 1 inch deep has a volume of 1.75 cubic inches. And the smaller tube having a surface area of .05 square inches would only have .05 cubic inches of water if it also had a depth of 1 inch.  And without understanding this, it would not have been possible for him to understand that Heron's Fountain worked because of the different volume/mass of the pressure/elevation heads being used. The reason for this is if .05 is cubed, the answer is 0.000125 cubic inches, but with a depth of 1 inch, then it does have a volume of 0.05 cubic inches.
  What he wants is a FREE invention while discrediting Heron. And in this, Pirate88719 is fully supporting tinselfkoala. Sorry tk, but you sound so much like ab hammer aka Alan Bauldree I have trouble believing you are 2 different people. Of course, neither one of you ever posted a picture like I have of myself so everyone can know what you look like and who you really are. After all, I have posted my anme and the city and state I live in, I am not anonymous like you and bill. @All, read the first post or 2 in the threwad "My Invention" and you will see where I did openly post my name and where I live. By the way Alan, since the modified fountain if it were to work is a variation of Heron's Fountain, do not believe it would be patentable. And since Hero (Heron) was Greek, any variation of the fountain might become property of Greece. Such international laws have been passed to help protect the histories of countries, like it or not. 

[johnny874]

  @All,
to keep it simple, pirate88719 and tinselfkoala are claiming that tinselfkoala invented tbe container and or barrier.
I think Stefan should give each of them a temporary ban for making false claims.

[AB Hammer]

   CC,
In reality, Bessler is the only person who can prove he built a wheel. because he did not do so at that time, all that can be demonstrated is that the work he left allows a person to believe he did.
With what I have had to tolerate to work on his wheel, I could understand why no one has pursued it with much diligence.
I have had my schooling in Propulsion Enginnering, machining, design engineering, etc., etc. discounted as being meaningless.
Bessler did say it would take a discerning eye to understand his drawings, you might say the devil is in the details. With Bessler's work, it is understanding the details that allows for his engineering to be understood. But I have done one thing differently than what I believe everybody else has done. Instead of discussing what I know, I discussed what Bessler knew.
And with the builds I did, it helped me to understand what to look for in his drawings. Be it as it may, people prefer his words which he said he wrote for speculators.
But as I've said before, I am in the wrong place. trying to understand an obscure part of German History about a GRAVITY wheel someone built in a German forum that IS about using gravity to understand how an overunity invention might work is plain wrong. People whose work I have never seen is credible ebcause they are attacking me. I guess the mistake is all mine.
I shouldn't post my work when I believe what Bessler knew is like the Wright Bros. airplane, it was over everybody's heads because they went by what they knew. What the Wright Bros. did differently was to build a wind tunnel and tested wing designs. Such a simple thing really, testing idea's with a scale model before building the real thing.
Of course, my father worked for the Boeing Airplane Co. and did work in the Research and Devolopment department. Plus I worked there also and learned a lot about how Boeing tested ideas through destructive testing. I have worked for other companies that did destructive testing to ensure that the work being done was compliant with FAA standards.
But such experience is not considered credible in this forum. Only flaming someone is and with me, i think I am tired of it.
As AB Hammer siad, it is Bessler's wheel and anyone can build it. He is right about that but what he emant was that he could tell me what to do since i claimed to be working on Bessler's wheel. If he had a worth while idea, I would have thought differently but he really never took the time to learn something other than his armoring.
What AB hammer had to say about my concept of Bessler's wheel
>> Trevor

I did a quick modification of one of his pictures of how it will look. IMO
Now look at MT 66 to 69 and think of how much leverage not_me and what Bessler has in the MT's. The MT's have more leverage to move fluids. And this one will end up with to much weight below the 3 to 9 keel line and not enough to lift it over.<<
pg.4, Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:38 am
http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=saw+lead+melting&start=75
What AB Hammer missed is that all the weights and all the levers create no over balance or under balance.
So curiousChris, I think the reason Bessler's wheel will never get built is a blow hard like Alan has to get credit for saying his lack of education allowed him to inderstand what people who went to school are to stupid to learn.
There are a few designs that could work that are not Bessler's and in the same thread I piosted where I made suggestions to Alan but as he said, his design ciould not be changed because it was better than working with someone and finding a solution.
Talk about ego !

p.s., the water could be kept at the 3 o'clock position if desired. The actuation of the levers would determine when they start exerting force on the pumps and how much force over what range of motion. Kind of like valve timing in a car. The cam has lift and duration and then the timing or firing of the spark plugs will determine before, at or after top dead center for firing. It all works together.

simply put CC, free energy comes from weighted levers falling as the wheel rotates. they can create more force than it requires to rotate the wheel.


edited to add; what no one with a computer bothered to do at besslerwheel dot com, rotate the drawing 90 degrees (2nd pic). myself, was dealing with severe medical issues which I still have  :-( but as I have been told, this forum does not care about a person's health, only their ability to do what they are told.

3rd pic shows about how levers actually move.

Jim
I see you are still taking things out of context and misleading. How long have you talked about this idea and still don't have a finished wheel?  3? maybe 4 years?  It looks like your education is running very slow.     LMAO
Again!!! leave me out or your post!!!

[TinselKoala]

You are a lousy liar, Jimmy-jimpbo johnny.

Show a link to where I claimed that the Heron's Fountain or the Zed is "my invention". YOU are the one who claimed that what I showed was YOUR IDEA.... and now that it has finally sunk in that you cannot claim that at all because of the timeline, you are now making another false claim that YOU CANNOT SUPPORT WITH PROOF or any evidence at all.

If you ever learn to read, you can read the Descriptions of my YT videos, where you will see that I give full credit to Heron of Alexander for the fountain, to MrWayne for the ZED, and to some other people who gave me suggestions and ideas. The reason YOU aren't mentioned.... is because YOU have nothing to contribute and YOU are a lazy, whining complainer who blames other people for your own failure.  Yes, Jimbpo, it was MY IDEA to put a Zed -- the nested cylinders, incorporating a moving floating riser with a second wall -- into the modified Heron's Fountain, an idea I came up with a WEEK before you ever mentioned it.... which was AFTER you saw it in my videos.

You should be banned .... again.... but this time permanently, because you cannot stop lying about other people and you can't build anything.... even though you have claimed at least six times to be able to make a perpetual motion machine. But you cannot, and it's not because anyone is preventing you. Your drawings above are garbage and will remain garbage UNTIL YOU BUILD SOMETHING THAT WORKS AS YOU SAY. But you won't, because you cannot.

[johnny874]

@ab hammer,
haven't seen you build anything, your point is ? You have no work of your own to discuss.
@tk,
you and pirate88719 have been claiming for a while that I stole your idea. not possible. You nuilt the design of Heron's Fountain that pirate88719 posted in his thread.
The water supply is the longest tube and goes lower tnan the discharge tube. With my design, only 1 chamber with a barrier is necessary. 2 completely different designs.