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[Magluvin]

  show your post when making claims magluvin.

Here it is. The upper water dish empties into the middle chamber abd pushes water from the bottom.

http://www.overunity.com/12640/herons-fountain/msg333944/#msg333944

Mags

[johnny874]

  Mags,
   Interesting, close but NOT the same. This is what you guys were saying  >>  and there may be some advantage to having this be a wide shallow container instead of a tall bottle; at least I think I've seen some drawings to this effect  <<
Shallower and wider containers. I knew the pressure was caused by the static head in the tube. None of you guys ever caught on to that.  And where I DID TRY working with you guys, read the post, I got REJECTED.  And do notice I say a larger diameter TUBE. It is in the drawing I did which I'm attaching. And notice, 1 reservoir is used where everyone else's design requires 2.

Re: Heron's Fountain« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »   here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.   

edited to rephrase post but sorry mags, tried working with you guys like I have been willing to work with anyone else.

[Magluvin]

  TK-luvin,
Here is a side by side picture of what you, pirate88719 and tinselkoala came up with, what you say is it.
The tubes are lettered so anyone can understand that the tallest tube is the same diameter as the other tubes and is the fill tube
which water is poured into.

In my 'earlier' pic to the left you have posted above named Herons Fountain, look at the yellow straw. It goes from the bottom container to the area above the top drain bowl. It is the fountain tube.  Clearly

It is the same as your redraw of combined beakers in the 'Comparison' pic

Just because my lower container is lower doesnt mean that it is a different concept.

So in your 'comparison' pic these are one and the same except for  your lower container is a bit higher.

So my pic yesterday where the 2 containers are 1 and the water level is the same is a step further than my earlier pic and even your latest.

Take it. Keep it. Its yours.  Frikin build it already.   But if you want to claim it is original to you, then who is stealing whos idea?  Can you show a post that is earlier than August 29 that shows a depiction of the fountain sourcing from the bottom? If so, then it is your original idea.

If you would just turn off the computer for a few hours, it would be done weeks ago. 

Mags

[johnny874]

In my 'earlier' pic to the left you have posted above named Herons Fountain, look at the yellow straw. It goes from the bottom container to the area above the top drain bowl. It is the fountain tube.  Clearly

It is the same as your redraw of combined beakers in the 'Comparison' pic

Just because my lower container is lower doesnt mean that it is a different concept.

So in your 'comparison' pic these are one and the same except for  your lower container is a bit higher.

So my pic yesterday where the 2 containers are 1 and the water level is the same is a step further than my earlier pic and even your latest.

Take it. Keep it. Its yours.  Frikin build it already.   But if you want to claim it is original to you, then who is stealing whos idea?  Can you show a post that is earlier than August 29 that shows a depiction of the fountain sourcing from the bottom? If so, then it is your original idea.

If you would just turn off the computer for a few hours, it would be done weeks ago. 

Mags

  It is a different concept. Any Heron's Fountain will be similar. Edited my post to go to the design your claiming is yours.
It uses one lower chamber with a barrier. Your design requires 2.  Also, there is no way your up tube could pump water, there is nothing above it that could generate sufficient pressure. I guess that's why you didn't build it, you knew it wouldn't work.
With what I posted, the fill tube itself is shorter and larger in diameter to hold more water. None of you guys have posted anything that shows you understand prssure heads. I guess this is why tk wanted me to explain pressure heads and how they work. Then once you guys understood that I understood these things, then YOU GUYS wanted it.
It doesn't work that way.

[Magluvin]

  Mags,
   Interesting, close but NOT the same. This is what you guys were saying  >>  and there may be some advantage to having this be a wide shallow container instead of a tall bottle; at least I think I've seen some drawings to this effect  <<
Shallower and wider containers. I knew the pressure was caused by the static head in the tube. None of you guys ever caught on to that.  And where I DID TRY working with you guys, read the post, I got REJECTED.  And do notice I say a larger diameter TUBE. It is in the drawing I did which I'm attaching. And notice, 1 reservoir is used where everyone else's design requires 2.

Re: Heron's Fountain« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM »   here's a drawing of my version of Herons Fountain.
Because the fill tube has a larger diameter, it can over fill a reservoir beneath it into another reservoir where the discharge tube is located. This barrier would prevent the 2 static heads from balancing themselves which they would do.
If anyone bothers to build Heron's fountain, you'll find out that the discharge tube as in the video is a smaller static head. And it's the mass of the static head that generates the air pressure for pumping out the reservoir where the outlet tube is located.
The top view is looking straight down at it. should give everyone a decent idea of how a simple pmm might be built.   

edited to rephrase post but sorry mags, tried working with you guys like I have been willing to work with anyone else.

Having wider containers with water level at same height still produces the same psi anywhere at the bottom of a container wide or thin. Wider just means more water for longer fountain time.

Sorry your aug 31 doesnt beat my aug 29. 

Like I said, just build it. Ive seen you put together that one demonstration that I liked.

This one is easy.

Mags