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CG Showcase of Overbalanced Wheel

Started by helloha, September 20, 2012, 09:55:52 PM

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helloha

yet the same similar cg of previous version, just mirror the model to see how's the outcome.

http://youtu.be/D-R2Q9u8tVg

norman6538

Quote from: helloha on October 31, 2012, 08:04:58 AM

norman, a wise man with a wise word.
unfortunately, i wasnt knowledgeable to determine roughly where center of gravity is.  :-[

After many failures I got smarter.

There is an interesting discussion going on here where you can see the right shift
of the CG.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12341-mikhail-dmitriyev-input-1000-w-output-near-3000-w-2.html

I like this video best

tips weights by hand and the wheel starts turning  partial set of weights
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ikrznic8j9omlgu/k1DwYs7jaV/Videos#f:Stage%201.avi

here he tips the bottom and the wheel starts to turn
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ikrznic8j9omlgu/k1DwYs7jaV/Videos#f:Stage%202.avi
he has it hooked up to an alternator
at 22 secs 3pm extended outside circle
at 3pm the arms are extended 32 secs

johnny874

Quote from: helloha on October 31, 2012, 08:15:29 AM
yet the same similar cg of previous version, just mirror the model to see how's the outcome.

http://youtu.be/D-R2Q9u8tVg

  helloha,
if one person could do everything, I would be nervous. years ago i built some wheels to test idea's
similar to what you are modeling. One thing I realized is that when the weight is lifted towards the
axle, it resists the motion of the wheel.
What I have since realized is that a simple cog can allow for a weight to be pulled towards the axle
of the wheel while creating little if any resistence. What it does is shorten a line the weight is attached
to.
Hope you don't mind if I used your drawing. the white line shows where over balance is lost. The white circle
shows how the cog can be placed to pull the weight towards center. And the red line of course is the tether.
The math for such a thought is PiR^2/4 - R = x.
An example is 3.142 * 2 squared divided by 4 minus 2 = x.
                         12.58 / 4 = 3.14 - 2 (the radius) = 1.14
if the radius of the cog is 2 inches, then it could shorten the radial path of a weigth by 1.14 inches. And this
would be with no work being performed, actually, work would be performed but at no cost.

                                                                                                                      Jim

johnny874

  helloha,
this is about what a basic cog would look like. As the wheel rotates, the line
would wrap around the outside of the cog. after 90 degrees of rotation, the chamfer
the cog has would let the line slip off.
A simple catch for the line could prevent the weight from rolling out again. But that
can weight (wait, pun intended) for another day.

                                                                                            Jim

johnny874

Quote from: helloha on October 31, 2012, 08:11:02 AM
the bessler wheel is way to advance for normal brain like me to understand  ??? :o

  helloha,
I started out with basic designs and gradually understood some of the idea's I have today.
I may finally be able to do some building. Kind of wish I had a little bit bigger place to live in.
of course, my landlord may be able to help me.

                                                                           Jim