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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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Farmhand

Basically pure iron is a refined product, the first stage is "iron ore" then "pig iron", pig iron is fairly high in carbon and has more
carbon than steel due to it being not refined.

In the past pig iron was refined to get "Iron" which still has some carbon (and other unintended or unwanted substances in very small quantities).
This Iron was used to make things like gates (wrought Iron) and nails ect. as well as used to make steel and other alloys.

To get "pure Iron" you would need to keep refining Iron from "pig Iron" to remove practically all other substances which will increase the cost, a lot.

The beginning product is not pure Iron from Iron Ore.

Because there is no real market for pure iron except specialist applications very little would be produced to be sold as Pure Iron.
Why go to all the trouble to set up a refinery when nobody buys much of it. People want steel to build things these days.

Electrical steel is usually high silicone steel as far as I can tell, and is used because it is better to use than pure Iron for whatever reason,
maybe iron is too soft. Something you don't want in a motor core, it must have strength enough to stay in shape, or it is useless.

If you want some soft Iron maybe the best bet is wrought Iron. But the problem is any time you heat up iron or steel using a
carbon fueled fire like a blacksmiths forge you add some more carbon to the Iron/steel. ie. "Case hardening" can be done by using
a "carburising flame" to add carbon to the outside of a piece of steel so it can be hardened as high carbon steel. Look it up.
So any wrought Iron "piece" may have more carbon in it than was in the original "Iron" which the piece was made from.

If you take "pure Iron" and smelt it in air then you will probably get carbon from the atmosphere impregnating the pure Iron while it is molten.

Now I challenge anyone to name a proven free energy device that uses pure Iron or even soft Iron, no such verifiable device exists.

Even one or two of the supposed devices that used these soft Iron cores would be good to see listed.
The claim is made so there must be evidence to back it up.

To say soft or pure Iron is being with held from us is crazy, if you want some pure Iron just take some steel and refine it to
remove all the carbon and silicone and other stuff, if there is a market for it then you can sell the stuff,
I'll bet it ends up being very expensive though.

Might be cheaper to buy some specialty stuff.

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marathonman

 I have read a lot of your post and it seams to me that all your really like to do is run your mouth. all you do is argue with people. do you get paid to badmouth people or are you just that F-ed up and think you know it all and every one knows nothing. do you really think i didn't know this information from all my research. oh and by the way everyone here has a smelting pot in their back yard....God what a moron.
and also have you actually built anything from this website. i have seen nothing you have ever disgust
PS.why don't you order all that Iron you so called exist here in the US.....oh that's right YOU CAN'T because it isn't here it's OVER SEAS. DUH! suppression at it's finest.

Doug1

How many people have experienced not being able to find their car keys because they were holding them in the hand? Or they were in your other pocket?

Cadman

RandyFL,

It's fairly easy to test the magnetic remanence of a piece of iron or steel. Put a small piece of it inside of a strong magnetic field for a bit then take it out and see how strongly it attracts a pin or paper clip. I use a 12vdc coil salvaged from an automotive starter solenoid for this and I think it gives a better test than sticking a magnet on.

@all
Here's something I find interesting. Many high power dynamos built a hundred years ago ran at a low frequency of 40 to 50 cps of the magnetic circuit in the armature. Soft iron was used in the armatures to minimize losses from hysteresis and eddy currents but the quality of the iron was always suspect so the engineers adjusted their designs to work with lower permeability iron. The inducing magnets and the yoke or frame were usually made from cast iron and limited the magnetic induction value to 13,000 to 13,500 lines per cm^2 in the field magnets. They did not worry about hysteresis in the field and yoke because that magnetic field did not reverse. The air gap flux was often under 8000 and the flux at the bottom of the armature teeth was restrained to about 20,000.

I think the sole reason that soft iron was emphasized in the Figuera patents was because it was not standard practice in that era to use it for the inducing magnets and yoke but his generator required it simply because his inducing magnetic circuit was of an alternating nature.