Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[hanon]

An animated gif with my interpretation of the 1908 patent :

http://makeagif.com/i/K7jseC

In any case, we should try any possible coil placement and any pole orientation: N-N, N-S, S-S. My guess is that Figuera hide the real pole orientation by calling the rectangles "N" and "S". Apart form calling them "rectangle N" and "rectangle S" he did not mention any explicit reference to the poles of the electromagnets. For me "N" and "S" is the patent notation, just to mislead with the real pole orientation.

[Cadman]

Hanon,

No disrespect intended but are you absolutely, 100%, no room for doubt, sure about your interpretation?

Using an external generator to excite the fields in an AC generator was the standard method used in 1908. An 'excitatory drive making machine' actually makes more sense than 'converting it in self exciting'. Converting what? The generator?  It's either built as self exciting or it's not.

What would the advantage of an external exciter be?

One of the things that has bothered me was the lack of regulation in the patent designs. A Figuera generator cannot use compound field windings. Having an external exciting generator with compound windings with the series portion of the current provided by the main generator load could provide  automatic regulation. More current load → higher flux on the exciter fields → increased excitement current for the main generator.

Everyone knows that a motor cannot run a normal generator in order to power itself. Suppose we solve the problems with the Figuera setup and we can create an externally excited motionless generator that produces 500 volts and 200 amps. The exciting current of that generator is 400 to 500 volts and 3 to 5 amps. With 500 volts and 200 amps available what reason is there that would prevent us from running a much smaller motor and generator that can only produce 500 volts and 5 amps for exciting the main generator?

This setup also fits the operating description in the patents. Apply external power, get the small generator and commutator motor up to speed, then remove the external power.

Hanon, I couldn't help but notice that you did not dispute the sections "the driving current is taken from a generator outside and extraneous to the machine" and "returns the generator was taken from"

Come on guys. Where is the flaw in my logic?

[antijon]

Cadman and Hanon, I think it's probable that he required the external generator for the operation of the machine. Cadman, you're right that the device needed some type of regulation, but more than likely, the external generator was a necessity. The exciting current is DC, and without diodes he would need a DC generator.

A couple other things to consider- in the 1908 patent, the coil polarities ARE N-N. I can guarantee this. We can assume this because he says, "as the induced  is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one."

To have an AC output, the coils need to be arranged N-N. He also says, "naturally in every revolution of the brush will be a change of sign in the induced current; but a switch will do it continuous if wanted." When he says a switch, he must be referring to switching the polarities of the coils to N-S. When they're arranged like this, the output will be a pulsed DC instead of AC.

All in all, we don't need an external generator because we have solid state tech. We can simply rectify and regulate the output to feed the exciter circuit.

[hanon]

Figuera generator needed as external power:

1- Current to energize the electromagnets. This current mist be DC

2- Current to move the small motor which rotate the brush in the conmutator

Thus why Figuera just said that once the generator was running you could take a part of the output , and get rid of external power. The machine will be self-exciting and you wont need external power

The mentioned switch is another conmutator ised to convert the AC output to DC in order to excite the electromagnets and the small motor. No more no less. Do not look for weird designs. Cadman, the machine translation is quite wrong. If you do not trusty translation look for a friend who know spanish. I put the original text in spanish to avoid loosing the original text. Trust me it is simpler than you have thought with your machine translation.

Regards

[antijon]

Hanon, you're correct in that, if he had a synchronous motor, he could make a commutator that produced DC. Otherwise, he would have needed a rotary converter, which is essentially an AC motor/ DC generator.

Coincidentally, I think I just perfectly replicated the effects of the driver circuit without needing a commutator, resistors, or even 2 phase. If anyone's interested, I can upload a schematic. It's incredibly simple.