Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[marathonman]

If one was to study the coils field interactions then an educated guess could be attained.

my guess after research "NO"

[darediamond]

Pedroxime..Sir..I'm grateful for your kind words.

Please see below the whole discussion between Forum Poster Hanon and me on this topic. This would also tell you why he did not mention any thing for 7 full months.

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Mail from Hanon on 30/9/2015

Rams,

In your previous email you said "There is no radiation from the central coil to affect us and the computers and the cellphones kept in the same room were on when the tests were run and they had no problem. So there was no radiation. But do not disclose this in the forum. "

It is a pity that you are stating facts in the forum that are not true. I wonder if there are more details that are not true. I can see here some personal interests to misguide the other forum users. I won´t disclose anything in the forum as I have been doing till now with your info, but I think this is not fair. Right now I do not know what it is true and what it is not true. What I know is that if you are doing things like this it is because the device works. It has been better to stay quiet and not say anything than tell untrue things to discourage people

My Reply on the same date:

You are correct. But I am observung both the things and I am getting two opinions from different experts. I was warned because the primary coils are multifilar and they have wire running below them all types of frquencies are possible. Check Multiple wave oscillator which cured cancers with 98% success rate. The frequencies it emits are harmful but it cured cancer. The device is now banned though it cured cancer.

If any one tests and suffers I am liable. This is why I tell people do not test. My legs suffer from swelling like an elephants legs and If I take treatment it goes out after two or three weeks. No infection has bern detected till date. My driver has a blood clot in his head. So I have warned the forum.

But another professor says if computers and cell phones are not affected there is no issue. Now you tell me what I should do. I have stopped testing. But the professors are insisting that I continue. To be on the safe side I have stopped. Apart from this there are no funds.

If you see the forum I come under concerted attack like no one has been subjected to. If some one replicates and suffers claims I am responsible what do I do? What do yo do if you are in this situation.

I had been severely criticised by a forum member for not closing the magnetic gap and keeping the rods open. You look at your mail you have indicated the same.

What I feel as safe and any one can replicate alone has been reported. You have a lot more information than what I had given the forum. You create a step up transformer using small primary multifilar wires and thick secondary wires. Make the output voltage to reach 400 volts give the secondary wires to earth. See what you observe. The issue is the multifilar coils.
How they are wound decides every thing. They appear to broadcast high and low frequencies. I do not have equipment to determine frequencies. Cater says MWO output inimical frequencies only but when the patient sat in the middle he had beneficial results. Look at me. Computers and phones are ok Legs are swollen joints are weak and I am lookoing like an old man now.

What would be your prudent advice. Just because I have done a lot of things do I owe it to the forum to disclose every thing..

Patrick does not teach all he knows. Under the circumstances unless we measure frequencies clearly and conclude they are harmless I have to give the same advice I gave the forum


My mail dated 1/10/2015 not controverted by Hanon.

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I was not wrong.

I am given to understand 50 -55 Hz AC is harmful to humans and animals and this is why we are affected. If we want AC output we need to cover the device with several layers of plastic and iron sheets to reduce the 50 Hz radiation to the minimum. The iron sheets block the radiation coming out. This is why people living near high voltage power lines are affected. 55 Hz Pulsed DC is said to be beneficial to human body.

To the contrary 20 Khz to 40 Khz AC or pulsed DC  is dangerous to virus, bacteria, pathogens and worms in human body. This is the basis of the Hulda Clark and Royal Rife devices. Cancerous cells or tumours have a thick outer layer and to make them open you need to give either electricity of less than 10 Hz and 20 to40 Khz simultaneously or 20 to 40 Khz and 2 to 40 MHz simultantously. The cell walls are weakened then to allow the 20 to 40 Khz electricity to kill the microbes and the tumour cells return to normal cells. This is what is done by Royal Rife by using a Neon Lamp and Lakhovsky by using his coils.

This is why we were affected and the computers and cell phones were not affected. I was very strongly criticsed by a senior scientist for not closing the open iron rods at the two ends and not covering the entire device with iron sheet and plastic sheet.

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Figuera has not shown the closing of the iron and it is possible that he suffered from the experiments and died. However if it was Pulsed DC he would not have suffered and the death may be due to some disease. Any way during 1908 the average life span was not very high in islands and he has lived a full life span for his times. 

There are many people in the forum who are extremely knowledgeable. They do know who is reporting the truth and who is misleading or giving false info. However I do not intend to get in to this again for some more time. I'm looking like a frail old man now and I need to receover in health and finances and only then I can do any thing.
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Unfortunately at this time I'm not able to understand the Multifilar coils. You make 10 filar multifilar coils they consume less 2 to 2.5 amps when secondary single wire is loaded. You remove one or two coils of the 10 filar primary coil and make it 8 or 9 filar then the coil consumes 25 amps. When it does it COP>1 is automatic. Iron is totally saturated.

I have personally enormously suffered. I had to spend a lot of treatment and take a lot of rest. I do not have proper technical education in this field. I am also not able to understand many of these things. Some people want me to take risks. I'm not interested in doing any thing that can harm either me or others. So the reports that I give are self edited.

There are many forum posters who are highly qualified and extremely knowledgeable. One of them indicated that Don Smith devices worked but he employed 3 MHz frequencies in open air core. That core gave a lot of harmful radiations and so the device was not accepted for use.  Many have told me that Multiple Wave Oscillator is a device that is banned in Europe and US. It would interfere with radio communications. There is an international treaty that permits some frequencies and bans others. I do not have much of knowledge in this. what I do know is this..For some unknown reason severe edema was formed in my foot and they were swollen like an elephant leg. I became so weak. I had to take Siddha medicines to recover and then sleep for 10 hours a day to receover my health. This is one of the reasons I have restricted the testing to just once per month.

I'm increasingly getting the feeling that the translation of the patent is not correct. It happens all the time. No blame on Hanon but translating old technical documents is a challenging job and there is a significant possibility for mistakes.

Unfortunately I do not read spanish. So I have to accept what others say.

Ramaswami, study page 20 and 21. You can buy Super Caps on aliexpress.com but you do not really need super caps.

[NRamaswami]

I actually did not want to write this but my conscience is hurting.

It appears to me that during the time of Daniel McFarland Cook and Figuera Iron rods refers to Permanent magnets. During those times only DC was used extensively. When we send DC through an electromagnet the core becomes a permanent magnet. Some are weakly magnetized and some are strongly magnetized. This depends on the material and the current applied.

Now we have AC used all over the world. So when the patents refer to iron core we simply tend to use iron core. I specifically used soft iron.

I discovered one important thing. The core takes amperage from the mains only until it is saturated. Once it is saturated the core does not consume more amperage from the mains. Of course Larger cores would take more amps.

However If we make a Permanent Magnet first and that Magnetism is made very strong to the point of saturation the current drawn from the mains will come down for it cannot demagnetize the iron if the saturation is already there.

If you look at Figuera he is using Interruptted DC. This will not demagnetize the already magnetized core. So the trick is to make the core a permanent magnet first. Then when you provide the current the amount of current taken up will be less. Once saturation is reached it is not going to consume more. To the contrary the secondary output is based on the number of turns and thickness of wires.

Now study Figuera patent once more. He teaches in Dynamos we need to rotate the core. As the core rotate and current is induced the iron on which the induced coils are made become electromagnets of opposite polarity. This impedes the movement of the rotor magnet. So we need to supply more mechanical energy to get less electrical energy. This problem is solved if we do two things.

A. Avoid the rotation of the core. This is now well understood.

B. Avoid the Lenz law effect or law of conservation of energy effect. Output cannot be greater is negated if the magnetic field does not collapse. This is again taught by using Full wave Diode Bridge Rectifier and making a circuit by which the wave is Full positive wave with the bottom of the Full positive wave not at zero but at +5 to +7. I'm told that this will not allow the magnetic field to collapse and if magnetic field does not collapse no Lenz law effect will come in to play is what I taught.

Simple minded Figuera made the whole thing permanent magnets.

Core asked me a specific question. How did you increase the magnetic field strength in the center to be more than the primary. it is easily explained by the smaller size of the secondary magnets. The secondary is 1/4th the combined size of the two opposing primary electromagnets and so the magnetic field strength is increased very considerably. What I have found is that it is not necessary to avoid the field in the primary to go waste and we can make use of it as well. Opinions and theories differ on this but I do not know theories and I have seen that it is possible to get higher output in a useable form than the input. Again the professors here disagree and state that only due to the fact that the secondary was connected to Earth points which resulted in increased rate of chemical reactions between iron and carbon in the Earth point that I got higher output.

The main problem is one of high magnetic field experienced in this device. This does not permit it to be a household device. It can be a community based device.

We need to remember when Figuera did this device there was hardly any electromagnetic field in the Earth. Today we are bombarded all over with EM Radiations in various forms and diseases have shot up manifold. After the introduction of Cell phones here we have lost a small bird species here which all disappeared.

This is a community device. it can be used in rural areas and after full shielding etc are taken. I can personally assure you that output is far higher than the input. But I do not have the technical knowledge to make it self sustaining.

I'm not convinced that the Figuera patent is disclosed in Full. Figuera talks about self sustaining generator and asserts that only after it is done he has filed the patent application. He also asserts that it will work indefinitely. This means that there is no moving parts in the device made by him.

All devices that are reported to be self sustaining generators appear to have used both Electrostatics and Electromagnetics. The Swiss Testatika devices uses both Electromagnetics and Electrostatics. Hans Coler device again used both Electrostatics and Electromangetics. Hendershot device again did the same thing. No information on Hubbard device. Daniel McFarland Cook strangely presents only the information on the Electrostatics component of his device. Two opposing capacitors mounted on two magnets. But the Magnetic information is not disclosed by him or is removed from the Patent.

I'm sure with this kind of information I have provided that it would be easy for others to develop a device that can run on its own. Unfortunately I'm not blessed with that kind of technical knowledge and I'm not convinced that this is a good or safe device any more. It can be a community device and can be built as a large device to power a village or rural place. It can also be used by rural households that can separate it from other places and can provide significant protective shield.

I think sufficient technical information has been openly given. I'm satisfied that some other competent person can now do this device and then make it self sustaining. On my part I need to focus on my practice.

My apologies that I could not complete the project.

[hanon]

It appears to me that during the time of Daniel McFarland Cook and Figuera Iron rods refers to Permanent magnets. During those times only DC was used extensively. When we send DC through an electromagnet the core becomes a permanent magnet.

If you look at Figuera he is using Interruptted DC. This will not demagnetize the already magnetized core. So the trick is to make the core a permanent magnet first.

QUOTE FROM PATENT 30378, YEAR 1902

"The cores of all these electromagnets are  formed in such a way that they will magnetize and demagnetize quickly and not retain any residual magnetism"

As you see your views or "theories" are far far away from Figuera patents. 

[Doug1]

Hannon
If 30378 looks easier for you then go for it. That is the one that looks a motor with a square rotor that can not turn.Described as having the induced winding placed between the two halves. I personally dont care for that one ,it looks more difficult to maintain or replace windings but it might cut out the EMR so feared by some. I wont have any input on it though. No it's not really a square rotor but a cross sort of, rolls off not right.
  You have fun with that one. I have to get back to work this is only a 15 min coffee break.