Single circuits generate nuclear reactions

[allcanadian]

@Koen1

Yes, cathode ray tubes aka electron cannons do accellerate electrons... so what?
The problem we have is in the high speed beta particles.. We want to collect
them and their energy content, we don't want to make more or accellerate
them even more... We want to catch their energy.

That is a very good point We know we are surrounded by energy the trick is utilizing what has always been present.
Henry Moray once said "The waves in the electric field about the charge have been set in oscillation and is what causes an associated magnetic field". Moray used specially constructed ionic, cold cathode tubes(doped with radium or thorium) to do this but the method proposed here would seem to work as well. An easier explanation for the generator you speak of could be that the "beta radiation" is just that---radiated energy, the properties of this energy determined by the frequency of oscillation of the field. The frequency of oscillation determined by the nature of the matter involved and the qualities of the disturbance which produced the oscillations in the first place.
As well it could be possible that the high energy-high frequency field generated in and around the carbon rod does not "produce" a magnetic field but excludes or repells all magnetic fields in which case the surrounding toroid would experience a changing magnetic field through exclusion unlike most conventional generators.

[aleks]

One think I keep thinking about is free electrons that leave carbon rod as beta particles. This gap should be filled, so it is very probable that there are two energy waves happen. One wave is beta energy wave and the second wave is electrostatic wave.

(Of course, I'm still insisting that free electrons are not taken from the carbon due to nuclear decay, but they are accelerated by hypothesized DC acoustic waves: in this case, magnetic bias field is used to make free electrons more "fluid" and detached from the carbon rod and thus prone to free-field acceleration, without bias field electrons will end up energizing carbon rod itself).

[Inventor81]

Well, sphere or cylinder collect charge, they become positively charged. In the end this generates electrostatic energy which is saturatable: a given piece of metal won't charge more than some fundamental space charge laws allow it to charge. Hence, it is inefficient. I think we should strive to use EM energies and displacement currents that are produced by beta electrons. In this case spheres and cylinders are unusable.

Aluminums ionization energy (my apostrophe does not work right now. This happens occasionally when my laptop is left on overnight and simply "reanimated") is approximately 18eV.


We have a particle with approximately 10^6 this energy.

We will likely only get 20% of the electrons this thing knocks out of the way, but thats still 200,000 electrons knocked loose per interaction. I think we are set if we use the electrostatic approach, but here is the kicker: we need to use a very thin layer of aluminum, and a very thin layer of a collector metal. The idea is the beta knocks electrons off the aluminum, shunts across the oxide layer, and collects on the backing layer. I have some experiments forthcoming. Having considerable difficulty determining if I have anything, as my scope and primary meter are inaccessible at this time.

Me = frustrated!

also, aleks: what are you referencing with the quote of my post?

[Feynman]

@aleks

it is very probable that there are two energy waves happen. One wave is beta energy wave and the second wave is electrostatic wave.

I agree with this main idea as well, I was thinking about this same problem last night.

So in this process, some of our input electrons as getting converted to beta rays.  For now , let's not bother with how this is happening.  The point is that the 'extra energy' is because the emitted beta rays are much higher velocity than the electrons we are putting into the rod.  So perhaps some of these electrons are actually leaving the primary circuit!

Now my first thought is that this is bizarre, but then I thought ... well, it's similar to an LED which emits photons. My first thought was an LED changes an electron to a photon, but alas, this is not the case, because LED photon emission rather results from orbital excitatation and subsequent collapse, with no net loss of an electron.   So yes, here my analogy runs into a dead end.   

So yes, I agree there are two process's here, one is the flow within the primary circuit (aka power source pulsing into the rod), and the other with waves of beta rays leaving the rod and interacting with the surrounding environment.

The thing I don't understand is if we are actually 'net' converting the input electrons to output beta rays, shouldn't we be accumulating a net positive charge somewhere?

[Creativity]

Yes, cathode ray tubes aka electron cannons do accellerate electrons... so what?
The problem we have is in the high speed beta particles.. We want to collect
them and their energy content, we don't want to make more or accellerate
them even more... We want to catch their energy.

Also, if there is only pulsed DC input and beta emission bursts, I don't really
see how AC could result in the collector coil...
Perhaps if there was AC input or if the magnetic field were alternated, then
it seems possible to get AC out as well... although I would expect a serious
DC bias on that if it occurs...
But hey, I haven't had my coffee yet so I may just be horribly off

@Koen1
ok maybe i was not explicit enough,having too much of green tea makes me use shortcuts  i propose to use electron cannon to bombard the carbon rod.In that case energy of electrons and the rate of bombardement can be controlled more accurately (IMHO)than a spark gap discharge(kind of complicated interaction with many radiowaves emitted in wide range).
I guess if we could get only the carbon surface to interact with electrons,then beta's would have more freedom to escape.In my imagination,the beta's created inside of the carbon rod has difficulties to escape out of it and are beeing re-absorbed by the rod.Only a fraction of beta's escape outside and is trapped in the coils.
So in short i would like a thin layer of carbon bombarded by electrons,to ease beta's escape ,leave the carbon cold and eliminate radio waves distortion of spark gap(maybe thats a part of your DC AC problem).

As second step i proposed to put carbon rod with collecting coils and cannon inside of a vacuum tube to eliminate beta interaction with airgap between coil and rod.

If the coil is wound up on a toroid it will not interact magnetically with Beta particles?(flux is mainly insiede of the toroid,no?)