Single circuits generate nuclear reactions

[Feynman]

Yes, I agree shielding and safety is important.  Aluminum will work well, and we have detected no secondary emissions (breaking radiation), although this remains a theoretical possibility.  HDPE is actually preferable to aluminum and makes excellent beta shielding (it is used on the space shuttle).   Generally experimenters should all be using a cheap geiger counter if possible.  I agree with 5mm Al being sufficient, but this may change depending on how someone builds their experimental setup  (a monster sized setup may require more shielding).  The easiest and most prudent thing would be to measure your beta levels outside your shielding , and verify the exposure in microseiverts is near background levels. If so, you are ready to make some energy.

[Inventor81]

Hi all,

There is a lot of excitement around here, isn?t it? 

Yes, there is!

So, the skeptic list will get stronger; I?m still a proud member of it. Hence, enough talk and let?s go to the questions:
1. Some should well realize a beta source giving hundreds of volts multiplied several mA is absolutely lethal. An nW beta source will do it as well. Is anyone experiencing deep skin burns? (Mainly on the face, neck and hands)  Hopefully not!
2.  I doubt a common/cheap Geiger will react to a short beta burst following a single DC discharge with fast rise-time. In case of AC, I agree a Geiger may detect beta but what about the point 1 above?!
3. Is anybody at least considering the use of a photo-film placed inside a thin sheet/envelope of black paper as an irrefutable proof of beta?
4. Burke cell referred to by US Patent # 3,939,366 is flawed and non-workable as advertised; for details please ask, if interested.

Meanwhile, as I have some knowledge and hands-on experience in radiation, if you have particular questions, let them out. I?ve seen too many question marks that have answers.

Cheers,
Tinu

Actually, I have several parts to your reply, so will organize them as per Feynman.

Burke Cell - Know it's junk. Notice no comment previously. Howver, the idea is sound that you can grab more than simply the excess charge of the individual beta particles (otherwise their kinetic energy doesn't matter, and there is no hope of even unity gain). No further discussion required.

Safety: Experimenters with beta are likely to smell a ton of O3.

Sniff it. If it smells like burnt rubber, then you got yourself some beta - ionization of the air to the tune of 2E9 ions per cc per Sv.

Also, this was 1Sv/15min. Not 1Sv/second. Several scales on the device used, with different time integration.

Lethal doses are around 500Sv over the course of eight hours.

It is by no means safe, but at energies of MeV, the penetration, as mentioned previously, is only a few microns to a millimeter. the Q for Beta is 1, for neutron and alpha radiation, the Q rises to roughly 20. I.e. 1/20th the dose = same biological load.

Beta's about as safe as it gets. Fester should have a sun tan.

Also, the unit shouldn't be affected by EM fields - if so, then the meter would be totally useless near an electric motor or a spark gap, or near a car engine or generator of some kind - I have a hard time swallowing that one. Besides, the frequency of the counts would be quite different than the visible o-scope waveform. The detector itself being a coaxial transmission line in configuration, would lead me to believe that an EM pulse would have little or no effect, no matter how poorly the rest of the device were designed. The whole thing, in other words, would have to get toasted, and show malfunctions. It hasn't, so I trust the readings.

Film needs to be used. Again, my devices are under construction. I had to come to work today.

Real pissed about that, but oh well.

Also, someone mentioned some numbers regarding kw/gram.

I have a feeling those calculations were, again, based on VST.

There is absolutely nothing mathematically right about Vallee's theory. Boron 12-Carbon 12 beta decay produces a few neutrinos and a 13.3 MeV electron.

The power output is not limited by the amount of carbon you have, directly, it's limited to the amount of current passing through the carbon, and participating in the reaction.

What we have now is a solid state reaction, not a gas phase. Do not attempt to use a gas phase equation to describe a solid state system.

One electron capture event releases one 13MeV beta decay. With 5E19 electrons flowing through the carbon per second (one coulomb per second, one amp) You've got just shy of one joule being released per second. One watt out from one watt in, assuming ALLLL the electrons you put in wind up interacting with nuclei.

I just got a phone call, and I'm toasted. I'm actually, honestly, completely totally burnt from working on this.

My initial calculations came up with 300 amps in at 300 volts DC, would be 18v @ 20KA

[Feynman]

@zerotensor
I will admit now I do not understand the LC circuit yet, but I think you are on to something. 

@R
Are you assuming linear scaling of the input current saturation vs beta emission?   I suggest the number of these NMR 'events' (which we believe to be Carbon-12 sp3 orbital collapse, with a brief zero probability density during the proton-electron fusion) we get may follow a nonlinear curve as we increase current scaling.    Kind of like that graph you did before, except just pure logarithmic function increasing with current up to some global maximum where we plateau.

If current (x) vs beta (y) is an increasing logarithmic curve at a given cross section in N-dimensional space  (where N are dimensional variables such as voltage (V) and local magnetic flux (B), and pretending voltage and flux are at a respectable local maximum , maybe we are already generating plenty of beta at 30A (as seems to be the case) but just have not yet properly captured it.  That is , maybe we don't need to go to 300A input pulses to run household appliances   (even though that may be where the theoretical global maximum occurs).  There might be plenty of energy here at 30A...

[UncleFester]

Hi All

Just noticed the activity on this again finally.
I have been working on this a while and have been in contact with Juan until this year started, haven't been able to get any response from him

I have a few circuit issues to deal with for a self runner but they aren't that big of a deal just been on other projects, will go more into the circuit later.

Anyhow according to the info I got from Juan you don't need magnets. Just set up a small continuous magnetic field through the torrid with 12v dc. This sets up the Dipole in the Carbon to align the molecules AND excites the field in the Copper wire to draw the Beta Rays into the wire.

I will dig up the info on Cap value Vs Voltage for the amount of carbon used. Should save you a LOT of trial and Error.

As for the AC output.... When working proper  I think the AC is derived from the BEMF of the torrid between pulses.

As for the picture of his unit... the carbon rods are only 60mm long and shielded by the end plates to keep the Beta in the torrid. The Cap bank is external and not shown. I think the torrids are in parallel as I think he said each one was 6kw.

Now that there is an interest in this again I will dig out the info and continue on with this.

Later
Dave

Thanks for the info! Already saves me alot of time based on just this small amount of info. Also, you are right on the AC component. It is still there even with total insulation of all components.

I just re-ran the HV version and still get sine waves on the output, possibly skin effect BUT there is only half the voltage (AC) without the magnets. So a reaction is definitely taking place, and it's creating a voltage on the coils surrounding it. Now, I also rectified the output with some ultrafast diodes and it charges the battery with 62mA of current. So there is current there and depending on input it changes, even across the same load. I will bias the collector with both sine and straight DC and see what I get.

Not sure how to wind the transformer to step down if this is what is needed as mentioned before but I can certainly match the impedance of the collector with another coil and pull power from it. This might be what Juan was doing as well. Sure wish we had more info from him...

@Tinu

Be a skeptic, that's fine. But I can repeat the runaway reaction every single time (done it twice so far). I used a dead 12V 7AH SLA and ran the TINY little inverter on it. I then rectified the output and ran it directly to the pos and neg input lines of the neon inverter. I then set it up so that the output was always connected to the input even if disconnected from the battery and put a small micro switch on the output positive so I could stop it if I needed to. When I closed the switch on the input of the inverter the battery immediately (less than 10 seconds) went from 6 volts to 11 volts and was climbing fast. I was noticing large spikes of 200 volts and so the battery was acting as a buffer. Obviously current was still very low, but enough to kick the battery voltage up a bit. Now I had a problem because the battery voltage rose quickly which caused the inverter circuit to output even higher power. This caused even higher voltage spikes and even higher currents. I disconnected the battery and it ran the same, gaining by the second in voltage until the HV probe was at it's limit of 1500V. Geiger which was only clicking at low power off battery was now screaming and screen read "Buffer Overflow.....". I immediately ran over and hit the switch on the rectified output and the input to the inverter and the reaction stopped.

But don't believe me. In fact believe nothing I say. Instead go out and perform the experiment yourself and you will have EXACTLY the same results, I can guarantee that.

[sparks]

Sorry for an ugly sketch, but it's all there:

Note that it is a single layer. You may wind as many layers as necessary: just make sure they are not connected to each other without decoupling.

I feel it's an insanely-looking collector, but if we are talking about displacement current I think it will work.

   This is the most dangerous design I have seen yet.   Obviously alecks or whoever the fuck he is doesn't know the first thing about what he is doing.