Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[Charlie_V]

If you are worried about not having the right number of magnets, then instead of using a smaller magnet between the 2 larger, use a piece of plastic cut into a triangle - so that they arc.  Have 4 triangle plastic pieces to connect 4 magnets.  That will give you the right number of magnets and allow for closed loop. 

In the drawing that Erfinder gave, of course the wheel will rotate.  When the secondaries become energized, the field will try to traverse the path of the magnetic ring, encounter an opposite force and produce movement.  Don't get me wrong, I'm always open to new ideas.  If I get some time I will construct this circuit.  It seems pretty simple and I have tons of magnets laying around - they are rare earth though, hope that doesn't mess anything up.

[barbosi]

Thank you guys, this topic is realy refreshing. I miss a lot of basic knowledge and I have to do a lot of reading and digesting the information.

For those willing to pass the gate, I found this site explaining paramagnetism:
http://www.naturesalternatives.com/lc/lcparamagnetism.html

I hope there is no missleading information (please let me know if it does) and if anyone has more, please post the links. I have to admit, with all my desire to crack "the code", studying the sugested material was doomed to failure because of lack of basics.
As me, I suspect there are many others who may think they know. Please give the oprtunity not only to learn how to catch a fish, but also "what is a hook, what is a sinker, where to look for a catch"

Please go on, you have all my attention and I'll try to catch-up.

Thanks.

[Grumpy]

Erfinder,

Is the diameter of the magnets and comutator important?  You mention 135 rpm.  The duration of the pulses will depend on the diameter.  I think that the commutator should be small in diameter to keep the pulses short.  For proof of concept, this probably doesn't matter.

Still have not found magnets other than the colored ones that I mentioned.  I can make them with iron powder and epoxy (or even wax, etc.) - cured in a solenoidal field.

Colored magnets here: M-941 (half way down page)
http://www.teachersource.com/catalog/page/Electricity_Magnetism_Engines/Magnet_Products/?id=9f64d1e8afe8270d1c2ce4d23ab35b2f

EDIT:
Matching mass of the coils implies a harmonic balance between the molecules themselves.  There are "frequencies" from the atom on up to the mass of the wire - it would not surprise me if these are harmonicly related.  Also, there seems to be no mass requriement or relation between the magnet ring and the coils - only between the number of poles and the coils/wire length.  To me, this implies that the magnets are a means to create the field(s) and their mass is not that important.  Only curtain outside fields will effect a closed magnetic loop - have to look that up - can't recall exactly

Taking this logical deduction more towards the "fringe" - this device should show a mass deviation and possibly a time dilation.

Sidebar question: should the rotor be electrically isolated from the housing or electrically connected?

If Michael Faraday had researched the fields and potentials that create magnetism and electricity - we would already be exploring the edges of our galaxy. 

P.S. Erfinder is also correct about the mental blocks.

[Grumpy]

I have a good idea of the outcome, it's the process of getting there that I need to understand.  I do not have your understanding of the measuring system and it's relation to the fields.  I understand what you call the different octaves, but not why 22.5mm is required for resonance between the these octaves.  I guess the "why" does not matter as long as it works.

Since a 6" ring is required (outside diameter) with 2" i.d. - I will have to make magnet segments or Leedskalnin type ring.  The latter sounds easier.

Using iron ring of above dimensions, 144" coils in four segments spaced 90 degrees and wrapped around ring to create 4 poles trapping flux in core.

[Charlie_V]

Hey Grumpy,

I've got the same problem you do.  I think I can see what will happen when the secondary coils are energized but don't see the connection between the "octaves" and resonance.  As barbosi pointed out earlier, the definition of an octave is a frequency multiplied by a factor of (2^n).  Erfinder uses (3^n).  It is also confusing why he took the square root of light velocity and not an "octave" integer.  Got any insights as to why/what this is/does - any hints Erfinder?

I noticed earlier that your conversion of 144" (22.5mm) was 127.56" for a conventional inch.  I might be wrong, but shouldn't that be 162.56"?  The conventional inch is based on a 25.4mm scale (1"=25.4mm).  So to convert 144" we multiply it by (25.4/22.5) or (1.2888888...9) = 162.56.  I think you have your conversion factor inverted. 

I drew up a quick sketch of what I think the field interactions will be like (let me know if this is what you were thinking too).  It appears to me that when the switch discharges the capacitor, you will get an increase in current (since the capacitor will act like another 12V battery in parallel).  This will energize the secondary coils causing the PM wheel to move - cutting the connection.  The induced "back EMF" of the secondaries will collapse.  Through induction, the primaries (now disconnected) will recharge the capacitor.  In this case, the permanent magnets do not supply the back EMF, they only produce a force to rotate the wheel (cutting the connection).  The back EMF is produced by the fields in the secondaries collapsing and inducing a voltage into the primaries.

Yes, this circuit is only on half the time.  I'm pretty sure that placing a load on the rotor would cause it to stop.  If not, it will be draining energy from the battery - but hopefully I'm wrong!  It would be interesting if, instead of a battery, a pre-charged capacitor is used.