Big try at gravity wheel

[camelherder49]

I understand the official representation of what you are saying concerning gtavitational
potential. If you take what I am about to say with the same respect, then take all the
prior statements that I had made concerning water falling from higher to lower and
completely remove gravity from the conversation, describe what action the water
would take.

[Marsing]

Sure... just like there is useful money in a bank.

But how did the money get into the bank in the first place, and what happens when you withdraw it? Or try to withdraw more than you have on deposit?

Very bad analogy,

You choose to forget that you own that bank, there are some who will always and always put their money on your bank,

[Marsing]

Not quite.  The energy actually comes from a change in angular momentum.  MarkE did not go down to that level.  Think leap seconds.

There is a certain amount of angular kinetic energy in the solar system.  The planets and the sun are rotating on their axes.  Then the planets in their respective orbits also have momentum also.  Think gravitational sling-shot.

There is even another form of potential energy where you can "fall out" of the solar system and head out into deep space.

Fascinating.

That is always the problem of yours on how you replay, although what you said are true,
the current issue is gravitational effect around you, whether you want to use it or not, it will always there, circling,

You talk about planetary orbital, you only mention a half, you said i can "fall out" into deep space, so, do you know where the end of my journey?, will i find other solar system?, can i make my own solar system?,

Do you know there is also even where you can "fall in" into the single point with other object could hit you and make new form of object,

what else....
this could be endless discussion.

[Marsing]

sounds good, you have admitted that there is usefull energy from gravity.   

When did I ever say that one could not extract the energy in a change of GPE: once?

Sorry if i made a mistake, now you admitted that one could extract energy in a change of GPE,

Sounds better.

[Marsing]

True. But the original question can gravity cause
energy generation is not being answered.
Why is it so hard to admit that gravity causes
water to fall when presented the opportunity.
With the hydrology cycle supplying the energy
it still does not prevent gravity causing the
water to fall.

It's just amazing to watch these sorts of pretzel logic struggles.  The Incobrasa machine like the fraudulent claims of Wayne Travis purports to obtain energy from cyclically lifting and lowering weights.  Because gravity is a conservative field, the harvestable energy lowering those weights in one part of a cycle must be paid back restoring them to their original potential in another part of the cycle yielding no net energy.

There are two choices: harvest once, IE non-cyclically, such as dragging the moon and thus ultimately lowering its orbit, or obtain energy from something else that then provides the GPE to harvest, such as sunlight evaporating sea water.

Agree, grafity cause water to fall, ,
in a case of  water fall, say niagara , we can use its energy without worrying about how to restore to original potential, nature completes the cycle,
in case of Wayne Travis, nature does not, he must care to complete the cycle.