Big try at gravity wheel

[minnie]

Sunset,
        please keep at it, we'll get to the bottom of this one way or another.
                       John.

[Red_Sunset]

Hi Grimer,
           I found this question quite fascinating : Does gravity travel at the speed of light?
Because gravity is so weak it's quite difficult to measure-so they say.       Have a nice day in Harrow.
                          John. 

Hi John,

Just curiosity,  what importance do you see in the speed of gravity ?, What difference could it make if it travels at half versus full light speed for example ?
The gravity source is commonly a progressive force, does not come about instantly or gets switched off at a instant like light.

Red_Sunset

[Grimer]

Hi Grimer,
           I found this question quite fascinating : Does gravity travel at the speed of light?
Because gravity is so weak it's quite difficult to measure-so they say.
    Have a nice day in Harrow.
                          John.

I agree with Flandern.



"The most amazing thing I (Tom Van Flandern) was taught as a graduate student of celestial mechanics at Yale in the 1960s was that all gravitational interactions between bodies in all dynamical systems had to be taken as instantaneous.


This seemed unacceptable on two counts.


In the first place, it seemed to be a form of action at a distance.


Perhaps no one has so elegantly expressed the objection to such a concept better than Sir Isaac Newton:


"That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum, without the mediation of any thing else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one to the other, is to me so great an absurdity, that I believe no man who has in philosophical matters a competent faculty of thinking, can ever fall into it." (See Hoffman, 1983.) But mediation requires propagation, and finite bodies should be incapable of propagation at infinite speeds since that would require infinite energy. So instantaneous gravity seemed to have an element of magic to it'"

I view gravity at the earth's surface a equivalent to a wind blowing steadily downward. A wind which blows straight through materials and only impinges on structures much smaller than the nucleus. Celestial mechanics suggests its speed must be vastly greater than light and has yet to be measured.


Gravity only seems weak because the the amount of matter it is reacting with is infinitesimally small. The pressures on that matter must be gigantic.


I have long believed that materials are held together from without, not from within. I believe this from the experimental evidence you will find on my website.

[MarkE]

MarkE,

As I said, I have no business relationship with HER. I am sure HER is substantial enough to vindicate herself if she feels the urge or need to do so.  Although I don't she why she would need to do that.
Do you base that conclusion on the fact that you waggled your tail ?

Please assimilate:  I do not like to repeat myself or repeat any other person at length when recorded writings are available here or somewhere on the web.
Once you have informed yourself, discussing of specific design or working details is always a separate matter.

So I will not waggle my tail no longer on this HER subject

If you like, we can get back to the topic title, Big gravity wheel - RAR & Renato Ribeiro
  1..  What is your take on this lever system ?
  2..  What do you think Renato is aiming for in his design to warrant the title he has given it ?
  3..  How do you think he could accomplish that?
  4..  Or do you think it is all BS and impossible ? (so he is deluded, frxxx, ....ect as some people already stated)

What is your take?

Red_Sunset

Red_Sunset, you closed your case without offering any evidence that HER's claims are true.  If you would like to reopen it and provide evidence, then I am happy to take a fair look.  The "waggling" has all been HER making extraordinary claims without the slightest bit of evidence to support those claims. 

1. The Incobrosa system looks like it will require a high power prime mover to make it cycle.  I have not seen such a prime mover in any of the pictures or diagrams.
2. I don't pretend to be a mind reader.  They have built these machines that they have yet to show can do what they say.  I do not know why.  I don't really care.  I will care a lot if they show what looks like a machine doing something that is seemingly impossible or at least very unusual.
3. What is the "that" which you would like me to comment on whether he can succeed at or not?
4. If you are asking do I believe that Incobrasa has shown anything that suggests they have found a way to build a self-sustaining gravity powered machine, then my answer is:  I don't see any evidence that they have.

[MarkE]

Hi John,

Just curiosity,  what importance do you see in the speed of gravity ?, What difference could it make if it travels at half versus full light speed for example ?
The gravity source is commonly a progressive force, does not come about instantly or gets switched off at a instant like light.

Red_Sunset

Red_Sunset how long it takes for the mass and position of one body to impart force on another body's mass affects all motion dynamics associated with gravity.  On a small scale those effects might be hard to detect, but on a celestial scale they should show up.  It is an important question that continues to vex science.