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Overunity Machines Forum



Big try at gravity wheel

Started by nfeijo, May 03, 2013, 10:03:04 AM

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MarkE

Red_Sunset, the gas is compressible.  The load changes.  Ergo the gas volume and / or pressure change.

Red_Sunset

Quote from: MarkE on January 28, 2014, 06:02:01 AM
Red_Sunset, the gas is compressible.  The load changes.  Ergo the gas volume and / or pressure change.

MarkE,
Sure it is, but that has nothing to do with the price of potato's

The liquid and gas are pressurized together while the piston is held, when reaching the set aggregate pressure,
On each level,
> The liquid is under its destined sub-pressure
> The gas is under its destined sub-pressurre
> The lift surfaces are under their destined sub-pressures and exerting full lift force.

At this pre-stroke point, nothing changes, it is a steady condition untill the stroke lock is released.
At that point, the input only needs to keep up with displacement.  Inflow is only into the POD area at stroke pressure.

Red_Sunset

MarkE

Quote from: Red_Sunset on January 28, 2014, 06:12:31 AM
MarkE,
Sure it is, but that has nothing to do with the price of potato's
Sorry Red_Sunset but if you want to know the change in energy in a compressed gas volume, you need to know both the starting and ending volumes and pressures.
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The liquid and gas are pressurized together while the piston is held, when reaching the set aggregate pressure,
In other words you are doing work compressing a gas volume and again, you need to know the starting and ending pressures and volumes.
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On each level,
> The liquid is under its destined sub-pressure
> The gas is under its destined sub-pressurre
> The lift surfaces are under their destined sub-pressures and exerting full lift force.

At this pre-stroke point, nothing changes, it is a steady condition untill the stroke lock is released.
At that point, the input only needs to keep up with displacement.  Inflow is only into the POD area at stroke pressure.

Red_Sunset
It is our good fortune that you are intimately familiar with the construction and operation of the machine.  That means that you should be able to perform an energy analysis through one complete cycle of the machine.  Since you insist that you believe that the machine can produce surplus energy, it is reasonable to surmise you've already undertaken such an effort.  So, now assuming that your purported beliefs are correct, all you need to do is show your work and have it hold up to scrutiny and all will finally be able to see that HER's claims have merit.  I look forward to your analysis.

Red_Sunset

Quote from: MarkE on January 28, 2014, 05:42:21 AM
Red_Sunset I am saying that the pressure is not constant therefore you cannot calculate the "energy in" as you put it based on pressure at a single point in the travel. 

MarkE,
The other reason why the ZED doesn't stroke with gradually increasing pressure is that the stroke distance is short due to the pre-provisioning of the levels.
Therefore, to stroke at max. constant pressure,  maximizes the output over that given short distance
Red_Sunset

MarkE

Red_Sunset, I am looking forward to your complete energy analysis over one cycle.