Big try at gravity wheel

[orbut 3000]

Because I know.   

Please tell us. Is there a greek letter atmosphere hidden under the workbench? The kind only you can see?

[MarkE]

Yes, 'preaching to the converted' I'm afraid, & one who uses the same arguments ;7)

Failing options 1) & 2) it seems to only leave that gravity is not a conservative force [see your independent testing required comments].

My recollections were to draw attention to a very apparent red flag contradiction - how can a machine, no matter how smartly arranged or contrived to reduce energy losses to a bare minimum , that doesn't consume fuel or use an environmental effect, but does exist it a gravity environment, output surplus energy over requirements to run itself ?

Yet, this same machine doesn't break any Laws of Physics [Archimedes Law of Levers; CoE; CoM; CoAM; Laws of Thermodynamics] which also surmise that gravity is a field of acceleration resulting in a conservative force - if gravity force is not conservative then it is very likely that the Laws of Physics need a rethink & rewrite, so it seems impossible to have one without the other - but IIRC that was not their position - perhaps the task of stitching it all together coherently is very problematic & above most pay grades - see independent verification required, before unleashing the math hounds ;7)

The answer is that such a machine can output energy until it exhausts its internal store.  Gravitational stores on earth aren't very energy dense.

[MarkE]

Please tell us. Is there a greek letter atmosphere hidden under the workbench? The kind only you can see?

What pray tell is a "Greek letter atmosphere"?

[orbut 3000]

What pray tell is a "Greek letter atmosphere"?

I don't know. Ask Grimer. He knows.

[fletcher]

The answer is that such a machine can output energy until it exhausts its internal store.  Gravitational stores on earth aren't very energy dense.

Weight driven clocks still need their potential replenished.

And so the argument circles back to whether gravity is or is not conservative, being or not being path independent.

If a machine can ever be demonstrated to be self sustaining & do external work [over & above internal losses], where gravity alone is the prime mover [including buoyancy devices], then it would indeed be miraculous - at least for a while - until new & accepted theories supplant the old Laws.

HER & RAR have worked the crowd - so far that is as far as the story for public consumption goes.