Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

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When one ZED has its risers moving upwards, it is performing its "power stroke."  It is beneficial to add water to the outer annulus, thereby increasing the buoyant force of the outer riser to maximize the power during this part of the cycle.
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The cylinders in the animation appeared to be accomplishing these two goals.  To what affect, who knows?
M. 

Hi Mon,

You interpretation is very much on the mark.  I regret to say that TinselKoala's demo and Fletcher's explanations are just beating around the bush (groping in the dark)

There are a few more implications for the RAM to be there what can be explored.  In order to interpret a design, one need to be very clear to what the device working objective is and that leads you to intentions of the designer,  how he is trying to achieve this.
Therefore, seen and unseen design components functions are there in order to achieve the designers objective. It is now just a matter to deduce how any component seen can possibly aid toward the device working objective.
Evaluating every step for plausibility.  It is like fixing a string of multi-section Christmas tree lamps or if you ever have done some debugging/hacking of computer programs, you would have the correct mindset.

What surprises me as "with the Archimedes buoyancy" interpretation of yesterday,   I put a strong focus on PRESSURE and here is Tinsel and others still looking at PE LEVEL.  Stop being stubborn hanging onto pre-conceived idea's, open you minds.

Red_Sunset

[LibreEnergia]

Hi Mon,

You interpretation is very much on the mark.  I regret to say that TinselKoala's demo and Fletcher's explanations are just beating around the bush (groping in the dark)

There are a few more implications for the RAM to be there what can be explored.  In order to interpret a design, one need to be very clear to what the device working objective is and that leads you to intentions of the designer,  how he is trying to achieve this.
Therefore, seen and unseen design components functions are there in order to achieve the designers objective. It is now just a matter to deduce how any component seen can possibly aid toward the device working objective.
Evaluating every step for plausibility.  It is like fixing a string of multi-section Christmas tree lamps or if you ever have done some debugging/hacking of computer programs, you would have the correct mindset.

What surprises me also "with the archmedes buoyancy" interpretation of yesterday,   I put a strong focus on PRESSURE and here is Tinsel and others still looking at PE LEVEL.  Stop being stubborn hanging onto pre-conceived idea's, open you minds.

Red_Sunset

At the risk of sounding repetitious, unless you do analyse this device from an ENERGY perspective you will never see why it cannot produce an ENERGY output.

You can transfer or multiply forces in any way you like during a cycle.

One thing that never changes however is the product of those forces AND the displacements that those forces act over is always constant. (presuming no external energy is being added to the system.)

It is beyond belief that such a simple concept seems to be so elusive to some.

It is why the ZED device stops. The initial pre-charge potential is exhausted and no NET work is being created during the cycle.

[minnie]

    Hi,
        Fletcher had quite an interesting thing going on Bessler's wheel which looked at
Pressure. "Has an important property of fluids been overlooked?"
     Fletcher had a few interesting points, I got quite keen at one stage and planned
building a test rig. Unfortunately when I started doing calculations with pencil and
paper I found errors and would have wasted my time with the build. I must admit
I thoroughly enjoyed the process, even though I ended up at square one.
     What I seem to recall is that pressure and PE are much the same when looking
at submerged objects.
                      John.

[Red_Sunset]

At the risk of sounding repetitious, unless you do analyse this device from an ENERGY perspective you will never see why it cannot produce an ENERGY output.

You can transfer or multiply forces in any way you like during a cycle.

One thing that never changes however is the product of those forces AND the displacements that those forces act over is always constant. (presuming no external energy is being added to the system.)

It is beyond belief that such a simple concept seems to be so elusive to some.

It is why the ZED device stops. The initial pre-charge potential is exhausted and no NET work is being created during the cycle.

To the contrary,  EnergiaLibre
The relationship of force to energia is well understood and not elusive as you indicate.
The reason is that asymmetry is purposely sought and the hardware is purposely designed to allow this manipulation at minimal cost

Therefore:  THE ONE THING THAT CHANGES HOWEVER..........is NOT always constant  "
your text <One thing that never changes however> is the product of those forces AND the displacements that those forces act over is  <  >  always constant. (presuming no external energy is being added to the system.)"

Unfortunately my intent to gradually lift that curtain towards this point in my asymmetry proposal was unfortunately abruptly terminated by mockery. 

Red_Sunset

[LibreEnergia]

Unfortunately my intent to gradually lift that curtain towards this point in my asymmetry proposal was unfortunately abruptly terminated by mockery. 

It's not mockery, it is how the universe works, at least at the temperatures , timescales and volumes that this machine exists within.

You've never provided any coherent analysis to prove your point. Instead you rely on  some curious form of double counting that allows you to expend the potential of some part of the system without it requiring replenishment.