Agha Waqar running Car on his HHO Fuel Cell

[markdansie]

Mark
Perhaps to say Stan did not run the car on water with out first hand Knowledge
is Not fair ?
After all he is not here to defend himself...

We all Know and are taught just how much energy is locked up in water 
as a matter of fact there is energy locked into everything around us ,an immense amount
beyond comprehension.

thx
Chet

Hi Chet
First of all I agree and will leave Stan out of it.  My opinion was formed after interviewing people who had met and worked with Stan , and in some cases caught him out. i interviewed many people. However I take your point.
There is energy locked up in water and it takes the same amount of energy if not more to unlock it or was used to lock it up in the first place. No one has ever demonstrated any way of unlocking it where an net gain gain be realized, although some plasma technologies or cavitation may in the the future prove this possible.
As for this Pakistan claim , has been debunked, unable to be replicated or tested by third parties in any credible way.  Its a joke and a disgrace.
Kind Regards

[markdansie]

@markdansie, how can the Agha Waqar's HHO fuel cell be independently verified? Please give some practical methods.
Also, if you want to verify yourself then you can come here in Pakistan and verify it yourself personally. Also, if you can bear the expenses, Agha Waqar can come to you and can prove to you there in front of you that his claims about the HHO fuel cell are all correct and that his fuel cell is over unity.

Simple test to verify it
1. measure the power in to the cell.
2. measure the volume of gas coming out . I.E. liters per second)
3. have the gas analysed for purity


I have seen , built, visited  or tested over 30 cells worldwide. I have seen in some cases many millions of dollars wasted. In every case the energy expended generating the hydrogen is greater than the energy content of the gas harvested. I have seen people run engines on it but never for long self sustaining or self looped, normally until the batteries ran flat. So show me any evidence or data to the contrary first. This is self delusion and luckily some scientists were smart enough to publicly denounce it before too much damage was done to some government representatives who should have known better.
The onus is on the inventor to provide the above data, I have set you the parameters. Number 1 and 2 would be at no costs and I am sure you can do the third at little cost.


PS have the electrolyte analysed for Alcohol or other hydrocarbon sources.  This is the most common trick used by so called inventors (I.E. water motorcycle in NZ)


If any worthwhile data was provided other than here say evidence and emotive BS, would be happy to stop in and have a look.
My final point is why has the government not come to his aid as promised or why has he not been showered by money form potential investors?


Kind Regards
Mark

[TinselKoala]

One thing that winds up fooling water electrolysis experimenters is the volume flow of their output stream. Especially with high current multi-electrode systems, it is easy to actually get boiling water between your electrodes, and just a tiny bit of water made into steam will make you think your output is really "cooking". Unfortunately you still can't burn steam, although it can have some beneficial anti-knock effects if injected properly into an ICE's intake or directly into the cylinders even. But it's not a fuel!
You can get this localized boiling or steaming even if the bulk of the electrolyte is cool. So for any kind of output measurements that depend on volume flow of gas out, please be sure to use a good dryer system to dry the gas completely before measuring its flow rate.

And for the love of Pete be careful.

[profitis]

@milehigh.water can be split electrolyticly at way below 1.23volts but its rate slows down,theres way to increase the rate and manage the rate.do this experiment: shove two carbon electrodes into salt water,pass current at e.g. 0.5 volts and measure if current passes.current passes my friend.

[ramset]

Mark
I do not believe there is dispute over Meyer running his Car on Water,in dispute is the
"O U" claim ?
So be it... the costs I suppose are all relevant to what we pay for our OIL .

If things Keep heating up in certain parts of the world and the Infrastructure for OIL transport becomes effected [Suez Canal] COP concerns may go out the window ?

Perhaps thats the way it should be ,we live on a mostly Water planet perhaps its by design?

Have a good day..

Chet