Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[MileHigh]

We were getting on fine till the disruptive element came in.
Go back and read the posts.
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
So I understand how Clarence feels.
People have feelings, even if they are hiding behind an internet name.

So Clarence, if you are reading this, if you could pm me, I'm interested in your findings.

Here is a recent typical comment from Clarence:

BTW: the SECRET information everyone has been wanting has been right in front of your noses for months!
          Hmmmmmm? wonder where that could be?

That's not scientific, that's a person getting off on being a tease and being the center of attention.

If you were scientific you would be talking about power measurements and run times and posting simple charts and tables where you track different variables over time, etc, etc.   The discussion was mainly a "pseudo technical" discussion although you A.king21 mistakenly believe that you were having a technical discussion.  However, if you examine the discussion with more objectivity you see it for what it really was.

And the key phrase above is "run time."  Think of a typical newbie Bedini motor builder.  They get all excited because they charged a dead battery with their motor.  They believe that it is being done with "radiant energy."

What's the "hidden secret" that all Bedini motor builders share?  The "secret" is that every now and then, perhaps even under cover of night, they have to go and charge their main battery by plugging it into a battery charger that is connected to mains power.  They might recharge a target battery with their motor and put 50,000 Joules of energy into it.  But they don't want to think about the fact that it took 150,000 Joules of energy from their main battery to do it - a huge net loss in energy.

In this thread I think that occasionally people have mentioned the dreaded term "run time" with respect to the circuit that Clarence built.  So that's the "dirty secret" that it looks to me like you all want to avoid discussing.

The "magic" circuit that Clarence built will run a battery down to zero every single time you test it.  It's just a question of how long it takes.  The circuit has an inescapable run time associated with it - the soothsayer of battery death is always there.  Clarence has to sneak into his lab at night and recharge the main battery in his "self-looping with excess energy" circuit.

That's what I think some of you are in denial of.  You can do clamp meter readings and make voltage measurements until you are blue in the face - but the amount of energy in the battery continues to go down, down, down and there is nothing that you can do about it.

There is no energy "coming up from the ground" and real measurements will prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.  However, the caveat is that you have to actually know what you are doing.

MileHigh

[Void]

This is not correct at all in my opinion.  If what you are saying were true, then all solar cells would be overunity...same with wind turbines and water wheels and AV plugs, etc.  I have never, ever heard anyone seriously consider any of them overunity.
Since we agree that "the energy must be coming from somewhere", then we must also agree that overunity is not possible.  You just made my argument for me.

Hi Pirate88179. I see how you are thinking. You are thinking to yourself that I must be
someone who is 'promoting the idea of over unity', therefore you must go on the attack
regardless of whether you have any idea what you are talking about or not. You can relax.
In actuality all I did was correct your very obvious misconceptions about what the term
'over unity' represents.

It is obvious from your comments that you have no understanding at all about what you
are talking about. Again, the term 'over unity' just indicates a condition where a circuit/device would be delivering
more average power to its load than the average input power from its power source. That is, greater than
100% efficiency, to say it another way. There is nothing implied in this concept of 'over unity' about how
that could or could not be working. It is only indicating a condition where the power ratio of the average
power output to the average power input would be greater than 1. Period. Nothing further is implied beyond that.
Whether someone believes that such a thing is possible or not is neither here nor there to the concept itself.  I won't
harp on this, because what I am explaining is really very basic, and should be intuitively obvious to even the most
casual observer.
All the best...

[MileHigh]

Void:

I hate these stupid debates about what over unity is.

For starters, let's completely remove all discussions about renewable energy sources like solar, wind, etc.

Then, if a device is putting out more power than it is drawing from its power supply, and there is no internal energy store in the device, then the device would be an over unity device.

That implies that the device is getting power from "some unknown place that we can't explain" or the device is "magically manufacturing power by itself."

That's an over unity device, and there is no reason to get bogged down in semantics as if you were having a philosophical discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Power in 10 watts --->  [black box]  ----> power out 20 watts.

That's it, plain and simple.

[a.king21]

Going back to this Russian induction device.


He claims the 1 kw induction heater is doing it's stuff normally but he is getting an extra
6 kw out of it.


I don't know if this is just messing with the power factor, messing up his meters or is a genuine gain.


They seem certain that they are putting 1 kw in plus boiling water at 1 kw and getting  a further 6 kw out.
(Those famous 1 kw Soviet era light bulbs again)
I don't trust meters in this situation one bit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw

[forest]

a.king21


Did you learned Russian language ?