Overunity (what is it?)

[forest]

Overunity is around us.Heat pumps, solar panels and so on. OU devices are simply better then already knew ones today. For example a solar panel tapping WHOLE range of EM spectrum, or a solar panel in 3D form with mirrors and so on. Heat pumps which tap Earth magnetic field are already known but supressed.
If there is single person on this forum believing in magic creation of energy he should re-think his statement.

[LibreEnergia]

Overunity is around us.Heat pumps, solar panels and so on. OU devices are simply better then already knew ones today. For example a solar panel tapping WHOLE range of EM spectrum, or a solar panel in 3D form with mirrors and so on. Heat pumps which tap Earth magnetic field are already known but supressed.
If there is single person on this forum believing in magic creation of energy he should re-think his statement.

I don't think either heat pumps or solar panels fit the definition of an 'overunity' device.

A heat pump may output 3 or more times more energy as heat than the work required to run it. However you couldn't then capture that heat output, turn it back into work and use that work to run itself.  As such it follows the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The end result of any conversion of energy is always increased entropy.
Localised entropy decrease is possible but when considered as a closed system, entropy only ever increases.

Most people when they describe over-unity are theorising devices (knowingly or not) that would violate the 2nd law.

It just doesn't happen. If you believe it can then you simply don't actually understand the meaning of the 2nd law.

However, the second law does not preclude using previously unknown energy gradients and transforming them into work or some other useful form of energy.

[Pirate88179]

I don't think either heat pumps or solar panels fit the definition of an 'overunity' device.

A heat pump may output 3 or more times more energy as heat than the work required to run it. However you couldn't then capture that heat output, turn it back into work and use that work to run itself.  As such it follows the 2nd law of thermodynamics. The end result of any conversion of energy is always increased entropy.
Localised entropy decrease is possible but when considered as a closed system, entropy only ever increases.

Most people when they describe over-unity are theorising devices (knowingly or not) that would violate the 2nd law.

It just doesn't happen. If you believe it can then you simply don't actually understand the meaning of the 2nd law.

However, the second law does not preclude using previously unknown energy gradients and transforming them into work or some other useful form of energy.

Very well said Sir.  I agree totally.

If indeed a heat pump was overunity, then you could simply plug it into itself and run it for free, which we all know can not be done.

To me, self-running, closed loop is the only standard that would prove true O.U.  As TK has stated many times, if you actually get 1.2 % more out than in, you should be able to make a self-runner.  When he posses this to many folks that claim 300%, or even 1,000% overunity, they just say that they had tried this and it does not work.  Of course not.  And, we know why.

Bill

[ramset]

Libra
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However, the second law does not preclude using previously unknown energy gradients and transforming them into work or some other useful form of energy.


so you mean something like this?


Forest
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Heat pumps which tap Earth magnetic field are already known but suppressed


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thx
Chet.

[LibreEnergia]

Libra
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However, the second law does not preclude using previously unknown energy gradients and transforming them into work or some other useful form of energy.
so you mean something like this?

Forest
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Heat pumps which tap Earth magnetic field are already known but suppressed

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thx
Chet.

I'm unaware of any heat-pumps that 'tap the earths magnetic field'.

There are heat pumps that operate using magnetism but these don't 'tap the earths field'. They use a magnet near its currie point and absorb heat from the air. They are not over-unity, although they can be quite efficient.

As to heat pumps that do tap the energy of the earth, I have one myself. It is as ground source heat pump that extracts heat from the water in a well on my property. It runs hot water radiators and has better efficiency than an air source heat pump.