Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.

[synchro1]

@Tinselkoala,


 JLN performed a series of experiments with the Gegene electric hot plate that uses a Tesla series bifilar coil. Have you seen any of these experiments?

"Here is an interesting experiment about a high power electrical generator which is able to produce some KW. It uses the electronic controller of an induction cooker which can be purchased in any store for less than 80 €. The main specification of the GEGENE (Great Efficiency GENErator) is that it uses a BIFILAR PANCAKE COIL patented by Nikolas TESLA in 1894 in the patent N° 512,340".

Quote from Wikipedia:

"Eddy currents in conductors of "non-zero resistivity" generate heat as well as electromagnetic forces. The heat can be used for induction heating".
 
I used the phrase: "Zero reluctance to change in current direction" to explain" that the Tesla serial biflilar is a conductor of "Zero resestivity" and does not generate any heat from electromagnetic forces!

A single wrap coil has two ends. Run current through one side then stop and run current through it from the other side in the other direction and alternate repeatedly, then the wire will begin to heat up due to residual resistance. Repeat this with Tesla's serial connected bifilar and no heat will appear. Does this help?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/indexen.htm

I tried to point this crucial fact out to Milehigh in our numerous exchanges, and he recommended that I return to kindergarden.


P.S. No hard feelings, I'm glad you're sticking with the thread!

[TinselKoala]

@Tinselkoala,


JLN performed a series of experiments with the Gegene electric hot plate that uses a Tesla series bifilar coil. Have you seen any of these experiments?

Of course I've seen them. There is no OU there, just a continuing series of misunderstandings and poor measurements, with conclusions based on faulty data and ignorance.
Have you seen a comparison of a TBC with a normal coil using the same amount of wire and the same geometry in the Gegene demonstration? (What JLN has done is a _demonstration_ not an experiment.)

"Here is an interesting experiment about a high power electrical generator which is able to produce some KW. It uses the electronic controller of an induction cooker which can be purchased in any store for less than 80 €. The main specification of the GEGENE (Great Efficiency GENErator) is that it uses a BIFILAR PANCAKE COIL patented by Nikolas TESLA in 1894 in the patent N° 512,340".

Quote from Wikipedia:

"Eddy currents in conductors of "non-zero resistivity" generate heat as well as electromagnetic forces. The heat can be used for induction heating".

I used the phrase: "Zero reluctance to change in current direction" to explain" that the Tesla serial biflilar is a conductor of "Zero resestivity" and does not generate any heat from electromagnetic forces!

You are once again simply wrong about that. Can you provide any evidence that your claim is true? EVIDENCE from good measurements performed on actual systems by competent individuals?
If by "resestivity" you mean "resistance" as in DC resistance, you are clearly wrong. If you mean, as you have claimed before, that the TBC winding has no inductance, you are also again clearly wrong.

A single wrap coil has two ends. Run current through one side then stop and run current through it from the other side in the other direction and alternate repeatedly, then the wire will begin to heat up due to residual resistance. Repeat this with Tesla's serial connected bifilar and no heat will appear. Does this help?

This is simply not true! Where did you ever get that idea?

http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/indexen.htm

I tried to point this crucial fact out to Milehigh in our numerous exchanges, and he recommended that I return to kindergarden.


P.S. No hard feelings, I'm glad you're sticking with the thread!

I'm with MH on this one. You have made preposterous claims about TBC windings before, without any substantiation, but you link to a certain web page as if it supports your claims. The claims on that webpage are also in error and appear to arise, once again, from a misunderstanding of #512340, coupled with some basic misunderstandings of EM theory itself. It's easy to refute most of what you claim about the Tesla Bifilar winding with simple experiments. Have you ever done these experiments for yourself?

Let me propose one to you FOR YOU TO PERFORM YOURSELF. Wind a TBC coil of your chosen dimensions. Use enough wire so that you have a respectable DC resistance. You do believe, I hope, that a TBC will have DC resistance! Then simply hook it to the AC mains through a Variac, and ramp up the voltage until you see a reasonable current of several amps in the circuit. This will reproduce your scenario described above, alternating current in the coil. Now... does the coil heat up, or does it not? If it does... there goes your misconception, out the window, and you really should spend some time rethinking what you "know" about Tesla bifilar windings.

Please perform this or a similar experiment using a TBC that you make yourself, and report your findings.

[conradelektro]

Synchro1 has a theory which sounds good. And I like that he specifies exactly what he thinks should be built. Therefore I am willing to give it a serious try (within my personal means and capabilities).

It would of course be very astonishing if synchro1's predictions come true on the scale he envisions. But let's give him credit till someone has done good measurements. It would also be astonishing that no one has seen this phenomenon in the last 150 years. But still, synchro1 has seen something intriguing and it is worth while to investigate within reason.

Talking about reason. I have to postpone all further work till the new year. Reason dictates that I do not get over exited and enjoy the Christmas season as customary here in Austria.

Everybody, take care till the next year, I will be back and hopefully will do some useful measurements with the synchro coil. May be some will find the courage to join in on the fun in the next year.

Synchro1, thank you again for all your contributions, let's do some work in 2014.

Greetings, Conrad

[synchro1]

@Tinselkoala,


                   I am willing to bet you any amount of money, wiseguy, I'm very serious about this, that a single wire coil placed on the JLN hotplate will start to melt, while the Tesla serial bifilar pancake coil transfers nearly all of the hotplate eddy current inductively without gaining in heat rise. Now you can put up or shut up!

                   You're telling me that if I plug the Tesla Pancake coil into a 120 volt A.C. wall outlet that it will catch on fire too. I already tried that, so maybe you're right about something!

[MileHigh]

Conrad and Synchro1:

I caught up on the thread discussion and there are a lot of misconceptions.  This posting is not about the misconceptions, it's about your test setup and test plan.

The "synchro coil" test involves a vertically spinning radially magnetized magnet and a "synchro coil" as the external pickup coil in the "neutral zone."  The "synchro coil" has a stack of radially magnetized cylindrical magnets inside it.

From what I saw from reading the thread I did not see much about how you want to test this setup.  Of course I saw the FWBR and cap circuit and load resistor to measure the output.  Conrad will not be working on the bench until the new year but perhaps he will read and contribute to the thread.

So my question to both of you is what do you plan on doing for testing?  This is something  that normally is left to the experimenter to do.  Often they simply make a clip with some tests and then the clip is discussed afterwards.  I am requesting that you discuss the testing in the tread before you make a clip.  Please let me know what your approximate test plan is.

Thanks,

MileHigh