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Overunity Machines Forum



Building a self looping "SMOT"

Started by elecar, October 08, 2013, 03:34:35 PM

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gyulasun

Quote from: Newton II on October 26, 2013, 06:25:06 AM

I am getting a crazy idea after reading all the discussions and seeing videos:

Why we cannot use a sponge track?   If you keep a heavy iron ball say a shot put ball on a sponge track,  due to its heavy weight it compresses the sponge below its contact surface creating a gradient for itself to move forward.  Once the ball moves forward the sponge behind it gets deformed due to release of weight.  So  the gradient also moves with the ball making the ball's journey perpetual.

This is same as tying a bunch of grass to the neck of a donkey few inches away from its mouth.   Donkey moves forward to catch the grass through  its mouth.  But grass also moves since it is tied to its neck.  So the donkey executes perpetual motion to catch the grass in vain.

Funny or interesting?

Hi,

I think your idea is rather a drawback than advantage.  It is okay that the ball would compress the sponge below its contact surface and it is also okay that the sponge gets deformed behind the ball. 
However, the sponge gets deformed in front of the ball just like behind it and the front surface of the "moving pit" would consume all the energy coming from the deformed sponge behind the ball.
So all in all, ideally the sponge would give no gain no loss but still as there is no ideal sponge, this means slightly more loss than gain.

Funny or interesting?   I think it's funny...  ;)

Gyula

norman6538

two points.
1. A ball going past a magnet will attract back unless it has enough velocity to exceed that back attraction. But the escape from the back attraction can be done with some gravity force. But no one has demonstrated net ball rise.

2. The Finsrud round track uses gravity to kick the attracting magnet down and out of the way thus exceeding the attract back. The weight of that magnet needs to be balanced so that minimal kinetic energy is lost when kicking the magnet down and out of the way.

If this elecar track does not work out I would like to try the Finsrud magnet kick away trick.

Norman

Newton II


@gyulasun


You are right - Iron ball creates a 'moving pit'  on sponge track.      What happens if you fix a road roller like drum to the ball infront of the ball to flatten the track?  (just a question -  please don't be serious)

ramset

Norman
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""  But no one has demonstrated net ball rise.""

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Not true Norman

From Guyulas Naudin link

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm

Professor Pierre Clauzon and his team
Summary

The measured efficiency of my SMOT is 113.3%... BUT the mechanical losses AFTER the drop of the ball is about 34%... So this explain why the closed loop is not yet obtained. So this is not due to the principle of the device, but only due to the actual means used for catching the output energy ( the glass tube ). This is only a mechanical design problem...

The way is now (again) opened

thx
Chet

Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma

TinselKoala

113.3 percent. Just an engineering problem.

Chet, your bullshit filter needs adjusting. How can you be sure it wasn't actually 113.2 percent... or 113.4 percent?