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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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totoalas

another technique from Eric Dollard   FLUX  CAPACITOR    -   using oridnary relay and magnet orientation to close the gap......

verpies

Quote from: forest on November 28, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
Good , I see progress in correct direction. I think nature is symmetrical.
Good, then you should have no problem accepting that space and time are also symmetrical ...like a numerator and denominator on both sides of a fraction.  This means that time is reciprocal to space (and vice versa) and has all the properties of space (including dimensionality).

Quote from: forest on November 28, 2013, 09:47:20 AM
Think why only one kind of current should exists ?
Apparently a current inside a wire is different than a current of an electron beam in a CRT or a moving ball that is charged by static electricity or moving charges on a spinning charged disk, see Magnus effect.

So we already have two kinds...

forest

Quote from: verpies on November 28, 2013, 10:08:50 AM
Good, then you should have no problem accepting that space and time are also symmetrical ...like a numerator and denominator on both sides of a fraction.  This means that time is reciprocal to space (and vice versa) and has all the properties of space (including dimensionality).
Apparently a current inside a wire is different than a current of an electron beam in a CRT or a moving ball that is charged by static electricity or moving charges on a spinning charged disk, see Magnus effect.

So we already have two kinds...


No, I mean : the current currently is the flow of electric field and the rotational magnetic field around the conductor. The opposite should be possible, right ? I believe so and I'm sure that it's cold or spin current and it is magnetic.
I bet some scientific groups are very deep into this research but be sure it's classified....


verpies

Quote from: forest on November 28, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
No, I mean : the current currently is the flow of electric field and the rotational magnetic field around the conductor. The opposite should be possible, right ?
When Lorentz forces of a rotating magnetic field on a charged particle are considered, then the result is that such rotating magnetic field "blows" these charged particles linearly in space like a fan.  This is even used in clean room dust fans, that ionize dust particles and then blow them with a rotating magnetic field.  All without any moving parts, as shown on the attached photo.

But all of that is irrelevant to the issue whether charged electrons are responsible for the electric current inside solid conductors.
Using a words like "flow of electric field" slips in undefined and unanalyzed concepts into the discussion.

A "field" is an abstract concept.  Namely it is a field of forces in a region of space.  It completely ignores the mechanism that causes those forces (e.g. those gyro particles of Newman or B-photons of Mathis).  Those forces are just assumed to exist and their magnitude and direction is assumed to vary according to some function in this space, often called a "vector space" or "space of force vectors".  As such, the mere notion of a "flow" of a "field of force vectors" is nonsense or abstract notion at best.  It is non-physical and non-mechanistic.

A field of sand can "flow", also other things that cause forces can "flow", but forces themselves cannot "flow".
A group of forces or a field of forces cannot "flow" either.

wings

Quote from: verpies on November 28, 2013, 11:39:12 AM
When Lorentz forces of a rotating magnetic field on a charged particle are considered, then the result is that such rotating magnetic field "blows" these charged particles linearly in space like a fan.  This is even used in clean rooms dust fans, that ionize dust particles and then blow them with a rotating magnetic field.  All without any moving parts, as shown on the attached photo.

But all of that is irrelevant to the issue whether charged electrons are responsible for the electric current inside solid conductors.
Using a words like "flow of electric field" slips in undefined and unanalyzed concepts into the discussion.

A "field" is an abstract concept.  Namely it is a field of forces in a region of space.  It completely ignores the mechanism that causes those forces (e.g. those gyro particles of Newman or B-photons of Mathis).  Those forces are just assumed to exist and their magnitude and direction is assumed to vary according to some function in this space, often called a "vector space" or "space of force vectors".  As such, the mere notion of a "flow" of a "field of force vectors" is nonsense or abstract notion at best.  It is non-physical and non-mechanistic.

Things that cause forces can "flow", but forces themselves cannot "flow". A group of forces or a field of forces cannot "flow" either.

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what your feeling


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