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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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Magluvin

#90
December 02, 2013, 12:57:30 AM
Ok, using a separate sig gen at 10khz, square 4v biased +.   .012v ac output from series bifi.  had to jack up the second sig gen to get that much output. :-\

If I just touch the open end of the 3rd strand it goes up to .045v out.   Im an antenna. ;D

So these tests cant be done using 1 piece of equipment as a scope and source, due to capacitive coupling between the 'wire' and pickup, as far as I can tell so far. ;)

Mags

Bruce_TPU

#91
December 02, 2013, 12:58:20 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on December 01, 2013, 10:47:06 PM
Bruce:

In the simplified drawing that you posted in reply #13 in this thread, you say the following:

<<< It is common scientific knowledge that if you have a piece of wire and first run electricity through it you will have a small kick when first energized.  The kick is universally attributed to the Earth's magnetic field.  >>>

There is no common scientific knowledge about what you are suggesting.
Your first statement is totally ambiguous and undefined.
The "kick" is not defined and nothing in the context of what you are doing is "universally attributed to the Earth's magnetic field."

Just in that short statement you are revealing a lot about yourself.  Your are indicating that you are a beginner to the world of electronics and have only taken a few tiny steps.  So if you are serious about this stuff you need to educate yourself and document what you are doing properly.

Any attempts that you might make to suggest that I am "in the past" and you are "advanced and into new uncharted research" are negated by the quote of you above for anyone that has a reasonable understanding of electronics without having to be an expert in electronics.  The interesting thing about electronics is that it's incredibly difficult to fake or feign that you have knowledge and experience when you don't.  Usually within five minutes or five sentences the truth is revealed to people that are knowledgeable.

Sorry for the reality coming crashing down but the readers of this thread deserve to hear the real deal.

So, to try to end this posting on a positive note, if you like this stuff and have fun with it, then by educating yourself you should have that much more fun with it and you can continue to climb up the learning curve and do more meaningful experiments.

MileHigh

AGAIN YOU DO NOT LISTEN...EVER.  THAT QUOTE WAS FROM STEVEN MARK AND IT DID INDEED USED TO BE COMMON KNOWLEDGE.   GO ARGUE WITH THE MAGNETIC KICKS, YOU FULL OF HOT AIR, NEVER BUILT A THING ON THIS FORUM NOR EXPERIMENTED TALKING HEAD.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

#92
December 02, 2013, 01:02:12 AM
Quote from: Magluvin on December 02, 2013, 12:49:32 AM
I have a little scope that has a sig gen.

The series bifi windings ring near 10khz.  Applying 1 lead of the sig gen to the 3rd strand, other end of strand open.

1v square wave from sig gen produces 10v p-p on the series bifi.  Nice ac output considering square 50% dut in. Adjusting the duty cycle lowers the output, but still a sine out. No spikes. ???

Next try will be using a sig gen from a separate source(scope/gen no. 2  same model) to eliminate direct capacitive effect between the scope and sig gen. There will still be a say ambient/atmospheric capacitance between equipment, so we may have some output. 

Mags

You have no switch. ..wont work.

Use a resistor if you cant make a proper magnetic pickup coil.

AC WITH NOISE works best.   ;)

The higher the voltage the faster the electrons.  (Simple way to accelerate them for your testing)

No current,  have fun, be safe.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Reiyuki

#93
December 02, 2013, 01:07:10 AM
  Just a couple tips for tinkerers and a couple questions for B.  This is in regard to Bruce's attached file on single-wire kick generation.


(Tips for others)
- Kicks start showing up around 10khz at 2v and builds off/on past 1mhz.  In general, the higher frequency the stronger the results.  My function generator does 20v P/P to about 2mhz.
- Square waves only.  Sine waves generate no output whatsoever.  AC/DC bias does not seem to matter for simple test.
- Positive (+) lead wire only.  Yes, seriously.  Leave the other lead open.  Capacitive coupling seems to do the rest.
- Receiver coil: Any small coil seems to work well.  I used a ~200 turn 1"dia aircore solenoid.  Higher inductance = lower frequency = easier scope pickup.  A relay coil, solenoid, or aircore inductor may work.
- Kick output reaches several volts with an antenna/ground.  Can light LED's with the above receiver coil in parallel.  Again, this is driven 1-wire open-circuit and is quite a sight to see.


(Questions for Bruce)
- Would a Bifilar series coil have any useful effects when used as an emitter or collector?  (Just trying to save time on winding variants)
- Assuming the 'freed electron' theory was right, I figured you could direct/accelerate them with a bias magnetic field like a CRT electron gun, or particle accelerator.  So far, all I can seem to get is an extra volt of hash on top of the bias mag fields.  Perhaps the B field just isn't strong enough?(24V3A)
  Should the bias field(s) be pulsed/rotating/resonant as well?
- It's interesting the role caps play interacting w/ kicks.  Series arrangements seem generally more useful than parallel; parallel seems to kill the dipole.  Thoughts?


Happy testing all.

/Rei

Bruce_TPU

#94
December 02, 2013, 01:19:29 AM
ALL here should know that this kick has now been confirmed by three labs.  Marco gets credit for figuring out the initial kick.

Giantkiller has reproduced it many times.

Jason has verified it with his lab months ago.

Roberto has verified it with his lab months ago and wrote a beautiful paper on it.

A friend of mine from Europe, the CEO of an electronic company confirmed it with his lab using a Manuel switch and a resistor!   Hahaha

I have on my team over 22 people.   Including university professors in math, electronic professionals and MANY more.

I just jumped into this thread to at least point you in the right direction....lol

I dont give a rats Texas terd what milehigh and others of his mindset think.

Only do not allow them to dissuade you from experimenting on your own! :o

We are all months down the road from what you see!

Will you believe Steven Mark and ourselves enough to experiment or will you be dissuaded by the talking heads?

Doesn't matter to us, for you all know where we are headed...hehehe
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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