Gravity Powered Generator With Gyroscope 'Sails'

[tim123]

Hi Conrad,
  I read what you wrote to M Drive, that gyros: "just just rotate around their centre of mass."

Ok, I've done another sketch. Does this make any sense?

Regards
Tim

[tim123]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession

"Precession causes another peculiar behavior for spinning objects such as the wheel in this scenario. If the subject holding the wheel removes one hand from the axle, the wheel will remain upright, supported from only one side. However, it will immediately take on an additional motion; it will begin to rotate about a vertical axis, pivoting at the point of support as it continues its axial spin. If the wheel was not spinning, it would topple over and fall if one hand was removed.

The initial motion of the wheel beginning to topple over is equivalent to applying a force to it at 12 o'clock in the direction of the unsupported side. When the wheel is spinning, the sudden lack of support at one end of the axle is again equivalent to this force. So instead of toppling over, the wheel behaves as if the force was applied at 3 or 9 o'clock, depending on the direction of spin and which hand was removed. This causes the wheel to begin pivoting at the point of support while remaining upright."

So if you attach the wheel to a pivot (i.e. generator shaft) - does it translate the force of gravity into rotation? Apparently so.

[truesearch]

@tim123:


About all I can suggest at this point is a  "real" experiment to prove or disprove you idea . . . I don't have the gyroscope(s) to conduct the tests. I'm hoping that you will share your results with us 


truesearch

[tim123]

Hi Truesearch
  I've found the forum members often can point out the flaws in my reasoning faster than I can find them myself... I've learned a lot since I joined.

Having said that, there are a few designs I've come up with that still look possible, and I will probably have to build them myself. I was just looking at bits for an experiment...

I'm now looking more at ways to tap into environmental energy - rather than magically create it from nowhere - I finally 'got' the conservation of energy. After all, Tesla believed in it...

It could be a good project to do inside during the winter. The workshop's not 'winterised' yet...

[conradelektro]

Whatever you do with gyroscopes it never gives you an "anker" or "some braking force" in space. Wave two gyroscopes, it might cancel the rotation, but never gives you lateral movement or a lateral force. The centre of gravity of your contraption never does a lateral movement.

Whatevers holds a gyroscope in its orientation is within the gyroscope, it is not done be "leaning" against space or by feeling some "friction" against space.

It becomes more complicated on earth (like the removing of a supporting hand). You can not do that free floating. On earth you always can create a point (fixed against earth, or not being able to go lower) against which you can "lean" and push yourself away.

All the (misguided) gyroscope-reactionless drives have somehow a point (supported by earth) against which they push at least some times.

It is often difficult to identify this "support point", it might be the point where a pendulum is suspendet or the machine jumps straight up from ground or it pushes against the air or there is some slight friction momentarily.

Only on earth where you can have friction or points against which you can "lean" one can get this misconception. Were we free floating in space, the so called reactionless drives would not deceive you.

If you want to move something through space you have to throw or to push some mass away, why not a gyroscope?

Greetings, Conrad