Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[Farmhand]

OK then, can someone give an overview of the over unity claim here ?

How much extra energy is harnessed from a alternate source and what is the mechanism that allows it to happen ?

Why can it not be done with an inverter or a AC generator like a 5 kVA petrol/gas generator ?

Seems the next logical step is to generate your own AC, then do the test to see if the results are the same.

Some things to consider are-

1) As soon as you start the generator it is consuming fuel right along, so the fuel used between when you start the generator and when the test is complete needs to be considered as input.

2) When generating your own AC without the grid all the fuel used, or all the input power to the prime mover is input.

3) All the while that you are setting up your experiment the power company is incurring costs to keep the AC available at the outlet, and those costs are transferred to you in the bill, so part of the input for the experiment is paid for in the bill but not considered in the experiment. So you are out of pocket for standby energy, it is paid for in the bill, just as the home generator uses energy to have the AC there ready to use so does the grid.

4) All reactive power originates from the supply.

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AllCanadian, it isn't me that is "worried" about the grid, it's the experimenters that cannot seem to do this experiment without it that ought to be worried about the grid. Unless the arrangement can show extra energy when the supply is a petrol/gas generator, then it is of no real consequence.

As the guys from Brazil have found out, if a system is made available that uses the grid and touts free energy the power company can shut it down in a jiffy, because the energy simply must be provided by them. If not why can it not be shown without the grid ?

If there is extra energy why is the massive grid system needed to see it.

Free as in cost is not a concern here, getting energy for free but putting the actual cost on the power company is not what I would call valid alternative energy research.

Cheers

[forest]

Farmhand


Give me please the proof that mechanical energy in generators is  converted into electrical energy . I  think power company does not produce any electricity by conversion - they simply work out the situation when this energy come to the system from outside but they do that in symmetrical way with a COP never exceeding 1. It's like the misconception that water pump is converting you muscles energy into water. No miracles here, you still need a supply of water like well or lake, and if you plug your pump in correct way you can have much higher output then input.
I'm not the only one who suspect what is the real action here....mark my words...

[gyulasun]

Comparing with a "reactive power"  recovering comercial product :


http://www.ortronic.com/ENGLISH/index.html


Sincerely
               OCWL

Hi Lanca,

The link you gave includes some demo video on their concept, this is the English language version video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA  from their video channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrtronicTechnologySL/videos

and I took a snapshot from their video on the power levels, see attached.

Edit: I found a patent application on "Method and means for multiplying the active power of elecric generators using inductive loads"    WO2011101512  in Spanish language, inventor is Juan Garcia Ortigosa and this is a google translation of the Spanish text:
https://www.google.com/patents/WO2011101512A1?cl=en&dq=WO2011101512&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-HbAUr3vGITgygPM5IH4CA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAA
Thanks,  Gyula

[poynt99]

Luc,

I was happy to stay out of this discussion, but in your video you have made an accusation that I am wrong regarding my assertion that one scope probe needs to be inverted in order to maintain correct phase when measuring power the way we all commonly do. Your accusation is not supported; you simply say that I am wrong. I have supported my assertion with careful detailed analysis and it is clearly posted in this forum for all to review and critique. To date, not a single person has refuted my assertions at a technical level, and until that time, my assertion stands.

So, I would request that either you edit your video to remove your unsubstantiated, libelous statement about me, or PROVE your statement to be true. Simply saying that I am incorrect is certainly not proof.

[forest]

Luc,

I was happy to stay out of this discussion, but in your video you have made an accusation that I am wrong regarding my assertion that one scope probe needs to be inverted in order to maintain correct phase when measuring power the way we all commonly do. Your accusation is not supported; you simply say that I am wrong. I have supported my assertion with careful detailed analysis and it is clearly posted in this forum for all to review and critique. To date, not a single person has refuted my assertions at a technical level, and until that time, my assertion stands.

So, I would request that either you edit your video to remove your unsubstantiated, libelous statement about me, or PROVE your statement to be true. Simply saying that I am incorrect is certainly not proof.

What do you mean ? Moving the voltage probe connection after the capacitor ?