1lb lift-force anti-gravity from ordinary charged capacitor!

[tim123]

Hi Xee,
  it's not 30KV Ac - it's pulsed. The HV is taken out when the input power stops - and the collapsing field give you the HV - just as in a standard car arrangement.

Having the 2 coils, should double the output voltage, but I've not done a comparison to see if it's much better than just one. It does deliver a good current...

I've been looking at voltage multiplier circuits, but they do need a decent AC input to start off with... If I reconfigured the car coils - I'd only get maybe 5KV AC to start with...

I think the way to build an effective 'flyin saucer', would be a tribelectric / wimshurst hybrid - I'll try to find the patent I have in mind...

In the meantime - this page has some good info on electrostatic propulsion:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/lostjournals/lostjournals06.htm

PS: "Thomas Townsend Brown... built a special capacitor which utilized a heavy, high charge-accumulating (high K-factor) dielectric material between its plates and found that when charges with between 70,000 to 300,000 volts, it would move in the direction of its positive pole. When oriented with its positive side up, it would proceed to lose about one percent of it's weight."

[tim123]

This isn't the one one I was looking for - but it's very interesting:

JF King: Magnetohydrodynamic Propulsion...

http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=03322374&PageNum=1&&IDKey=E029FB3404C9&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=3,322,374.PN.%2526OS=PN/3,322,374%2526RS=PN/3,322,374

[gauschor]

Small link also here (though only the last 3 pages 36-38 of interest, it's a letter from Townsend to J. Naudin describing some things: http://www.scribd.com/doc/20640883/Force-on-an-Asymmetric-Capacitor-Antigravity-Ufo-Army-Report-Arl-Tr-3005

I noted that Townsend wrote that at 150KV+ substantial force is experienced and that when he mentioned 50KV in reality he meant 50-250KV.

Btw. somewhere else I found information that experiments with this antigravity capacitor have happened since 1954 or so... unbelievable that now - 70 years later we still use aircraft using outdated propulsion mechanisms - and while they work, they are more dangerous due to their rotating/moving parts and most likely require even more power. But that's just a guess.

Hail to the internet as eventually hidden knowledge comes to the surface. It was much easier to keep things secret in the past.

[gauschor]

It would be awesome, if we could create a levitating effect on a cap the size of a toy, be it lightweight like a small ping pong ball, with the power of a Wimshurst. Just to see and build upon on a non-fatal setup.

This guy uses a similar setup as Townsend: a cap hanging from atop and which moves not because of ion wind, but because of the charged cap with 27K voltage (caps are enclosed) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCWZnX3Q8_I Maybe it is possible to replicate this effect with a Wimshurst.

[leviterande]

gauschor , yes this video I thought  was interesting to me as well but it could very well be ion wind.. or motion of ions. Just because he enclosed it it doesn't mean that it is  air proof.

  It took a very expensive  and complicated series of tests in 1991-1992  to make a good vacuum chamber and test all the claimed TT brown effects. all configurations were tested. no motion existed when air was gone.

  The motion of all these capacitors on youtube as well as TT browns himself are the following :

-the +/-  wires
-the small leakage of  the cap itself.
The so called gravitator did move  due to the  bare +/-wires that were so thin and long...  I cant believe so many people don't know this, it is so easy,  all you need to do is test.   Yes there will be motion even if you had only two similar wires alone.  because  ions  are   catapulted from one wire to the other. When you put thick  good insulation on the wires the effect is ceased.


Doyles  claimed  capacitors are not  the same.  His caps reacted directly to gravity itself upwards..