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So what is the other hand doing ?

Well Pinky, you should ask your friend Al Gore.

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  If it's not for ceramic springs used by NASA, then you using the other hand that Alan is talking about.
It shows that both you and him will say what is convenient to discredit someone. And if you can discredit someone, then you believe that shows that you actually know something of which you don't.
So far all you and Alan have posted is IMHO's. And yet say if you can make me look bad that must mean that the 2 of you are right.
After all, as long as you maintain your personal attacks on me, neither of you are posting anything that would demonstrate an understanding of science, engineering or Global Warming. That's all either you or Alan knows is let's get Jim.
And that's because I am a threat to you because I am willing to take the time to learn. After all, anyone can look at what you and Alan posted a few years ago and you are reposting what you said then, let's get Jim. I think  that's funny and is a good joke.

edited to add; since my "2 friends" have their IMHO's, here is my own IMHO.
Water used for cooling our Nuclear power plants is warming the Gulf Stream off the coast of Florida. This means East Coast nuclear power plants. And as a result, the waters where the Titanic has sunk has gone from 28F in 1912 to around 40F.
This is also something that could change the ocean's currents.
Also ground water saturation being less than what it used to be because of pumping out our aquifers can change the refraction of sun light. By absorbing less during the day, less energy is released during the night.
Also, to confirm computer models, evidence would be needed. This would mean creating artificial environments of specific mixtures of greenhouse gasses and compare thermal change to a controlled environ. Then what ever changed is noted would have a basis that could be tested by other climatologists.

  I have noticed that my 2 critics have mentioned none of this in their arguments but have only mentioned their IMHO of me. LMAO !

Lindgaard

We are not out to do anything to you but shut you up your lies about us. As for your credibility? You do enough damage to yourself. You don't need help from us. Your statement is what you are trying to do to us. (reverse phycology) to try to attack our credibility because we don't fall all over you infinite wisdom? LMAO. This is why you keep getting banned.

PS warmer? Is this why the polar cap is growing and caught those global warming idiots (scientist ) got stuck in the ice. LMAO

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Lindgaard

We are not out to do anything to you but shut you up your lies about us. As for your credibility? You do enough damage to yourself. You don't need help from us. Your statement is what you are trying to do to us. (reverse phycology) to try to attack our credibility because we don't fall all over you infinite wisdom? LMAO. This is why you keep getting banned.

PS warmer? Is this why the polar cap is growing and caught those global warming idiots (scientist ) got stuck in the ice. LMAO

  >>  PS warmer? Is this why the polar cap is growing and caught those global warming idiots (scientist ) got stuck in the ice. LMAO  <<

  Alan,
  Glaciers are melting at rates that are above climate variance. In Patagonia, the Himalayas, Greenland and Alaska.
Also, it is documented that the permafrost in Siberia is thawing. Where do you get your information from ? In a previous post you said it was IMHO.
It is interesting that you and your 2 friends only have personal attacks. Besides, I sent a letter to the editor again and let them know of a simple way that greenhouses could be shown to cause Global Warming. It's so simple you and Bill might understand it. Not sure if TK is a person as no name and no face means he is nothing.
And the simple test is to shine a 1,000 watt light down into a sea and measure it's luminosity. Actually, it would be using a solar panel to measure the amount of energy and at what depth. And by changing the concentrations of gasses in a container, then it could be seen if the atmosphere is like a prism that changes the wave length of light.
If so, then they could determine how much heat the sea is absorbing and would know how much entropy is suffered during the night. This would show a net gain, loss or if it is in equilibrium.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/what-ocean-heating-reveals-about-global-warming/

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Lindgaard

Here is a list of info including nasa.

https://www.google.com/search?q=polar+ice+cap+growing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox

A simple search finds more than you ever need.  Also lots of photos. You need to search both sides of any story and somewhere the truth can be found. Photos from space trump Al Gore and his friends in this story. LOL

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Lindgaard

Here is a list of info including nasa.

https://www.google.com/search?q=polar+ice+cap+growing&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox

A simple search finds more than you ever need.  Also lots of photos. You need to search both sides of any story and somewhere the truth can be found. Photos from space trump Al Gore and his friends in this story. LOL

  From your own link Alan;
This is understandably at odds with the public's perception of how polar ice should respond to a warming climate, given the dramatic headlines of severe decline in Arctic summertime extent. But the "paradox of Antarctic sea ice" has been on climate scientists' minds for some time.

Continental v. sea ice

First off, sea ice is different to the "continental ice" associated with polar ice caps, glaciers, ice shelves and icebergs. Continental ice is formed by the gradual deposition, build up and compaction of snow, resulting in ice that is hundreds to thousands of metres thick, storing and releasing freshwater that influences global sea-level over thousands of years.

Sea ice, though equally important to the climate system, is completely different. It is the thin layer (typically 1-2m) of ice that forms on the surface of the ocean when the latter is sufficiently cooled enough by the atmosphere.
sufficiently cooled enough by the atmosphere.

From there sea ice can move with the winds and currents, continuing to grow both by freezing and through collisions (between the floes that make up the ice cover). When the atmosphere, and/or ocean is suitably warm again, such as in spring or if the sea ice has moved sufficiently towards the equator, then the sea ice melts again.


Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html#jCp

  What both sides ? It has not been over looked, except by you. And as to what I posted, I think I am right because my opinion would not define science or the events that are happening. What I have suggested is a way that imperialistic evidence could be found as to how atmospheric gasses change the way that solar radiation interacts with water.
Why or how you miss something like that I do not know. It's a known fact that the deeper that sun light or solar radiation can penetrate into deep waters, the longer it will stored as latent heat. They teach about latent heat, entropy, etc. when you go to school for engineering.
And as to what you posted, just watch Ice Road Truckers who drive over that same sea you are referring to. Their drive seasons are becoming shorter. Why ? It's because they need sea ice to drive over to get to some locations in Alaska that are inside the Article Circle.
So once again, you have a narrowly formed opinion where one piec3e of information is the complete picture.
And this is why I m the one building Bessler's wheel and not yourself. I could look at 143 drawings and find a motion or 2 or 3. I think now I will be able to enjoy my hobby   

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-10-antarctic-sea-ice.html#jCp