Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[mondrasek]

Mondrasek, I pointed out various aspects of the subject you brought up that are pertinent.  If you want to hold a private conversation PM gives you a way to do that. 

Now, getting back to this mechanism that you brought up in the single riser example:  If the pan were only 28mm as shown, it would only transfer about 7.5% of the work input each cycle, IE lose about 92.5% of the input each cycle.  If you think that is significantly off, then you are free to show calculations that generate a significantly different result.

MarkE, what I would like is that you calculate the correct Work potential due to the "lift" from State 2 to State 3 and include it in your diagram below.  Please calculate it for the SUT in the diagram and not the simple no-pod, single riser system where we first discussed the "spillway."

[minnie]

     Today I had a look at Travis's main site. It has changed considerably over time
      and now there are several references to energy amplification. When I looked
      for mechanical amplifier at the end of the paragraph it said that anyone considering
      such a thing with regards to over unity was either under a misconception or was
       promoting a hoax.
           Mondrasek, Webby  and co. do you really believe there is some sort problem
       with basic physics and maths? We know the answer to these simple things like
       ZEDs because all the energy must be accounted for, and if not the sums must
        be wrong. Over time there has been a huge amount of hydraulic machines designed
        and built, also there is the vast amount of knowledge gained from the use of
        submarine vessels and diving. I think that if there was an anomaly in these systems
        it would have shown up by now, Someone's' hydraulic machine would have  sprung
        to life unaided by now!
                                 John.

[MarkE]

MarkE, what I would like is that you calculate the correct Work potential due to the "lift" from State 2 to State 3 and include it in your diagram below.  Please calculate it for the SUT in the diagram and not the simple no-pod, single riser system where we first discussed the "spillway."

It is already on that drawing.  Are you contending that there is an error in that graphic?  If so, what do you contend is wrong?

[MarkE]

My answer is that I see merit in the concept, so to me it is not a fraud.

Fine:  Identify any mechanism that allows for over unity.  Be specific.

I see the incomplete usage of interactions as a means to deception and it is that deception that bothers me.

The deception has always been from Wayne Travis and his supporters with false claims of over unity or any possibility of over unity as a result of lifting and lowering weights.

If I had your abilities to construct a full on mathematical model of this system, and if I had the proper abilities to present that model to the scientific community,, I would.

Nothing that I have done is new.  The underlying principles have been understood for over 2000 years.

I would not do it for the recognition, that is something I do not seek, but I would do it to help further our understanding of the Universe and maybe, just maybe, leave the world in a better place than when I entered into it.

It's funny that you offer platitudes of wanting the world to be a better place, yet you vociferously support a blatant fraud.  How does supporting the fraud Wayne Travis help the world?

[powercat]

@powercat,

Do you remember the diagram below?  It is from a ways back in this thread.  It was intended to show that the "lift" of the risers in a ZED system is an Energy release that could be performing work.  In the diagram, the lift is causing a mass of water to be raised.  And the Energy that the ZED must supply in order to raise the water is, of course, the integral of F*ds.

What I do remember and will never forget, is the multitude of lies and deception around anything to do with the so called ZED, there is nothing here apart from a scam artist and his followers.