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Overunity Machines Forum



Solid State "Synchro Coil".

Started by synchro1, March 31, 2014, 11:02:53 PM

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synchro1

Quote from: Bob Smith on April 01, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
@ Synchro,
So you're basically wiring the two toroids the same way you'd wire up a series-wound bifilar coil? 
If this is the case, you're saying that the two toroids are essentially cancelling out one another's magnetic fields and producing longitudinal vectors?

Do you this would be possible with a single trifilar-wound toroid (pulled out of a power supply, I think)? My idea was to connect end B of wire 1 to end A of wire 2 and possibly use the third wire as a pickup coil. 
Bob


That's a very powerful application of the Trifilar!

Bob Smith

Quote from: synchro1 on April 03, 2014, 04:04:22 PM

That's a very powerful application of the Trifilar!
Thanks Synchro
I do have it on my to-do list. It is cleaned up and ready to go. I got the idea after looking at your quadfilar, wondering if a similar thing could be done on the trifi-wound toroid. So far I have only tried a caduceus winding for other purposes (but am aware of its scalar vector producing capability). I'll get to this one when I can.
bob

wings

Quote from: jbignes5 on April 01, 2014, 09:10:11 PM
No they are in parallel wound the same way in parallel it looks like. Much better shot. Got the online tool to do the zoom and focus, had to crop it in paint though. Sorry for all the tries to get it right.

This shot looks like the wind starts at the right wire. The wind direction goes counter clockwise when looking at the toroid through the hole from smallest toroid to largest. Both look to be wound in the same direction. Just where the thinnest gauge starts going around the toroid the end would be directly behind that. That is where the smaller gauge wire goes in the middle and through the inner hole and continues to the back of the larger toroid and joins with the thicker gauge wire from the back. So these winds are exactly the same and soldered in parallel then soldered to the lead in wires.

Hope that helps.


be sure that the torus coil have a return winding otherwise the vector potential effect is vanished .... at the end you have a one coil that have an axial inductive effect :


Figure 3 of this section shows the most common toroidal winding. It fails both requirements for total B field confinement. Looking out from the axis, sometimes the winding is on the inside of the core and sometimes it is on the outside of the core. It is not axially symmetric in the near region. However, at points a distance of several times the winding spacing, the toroid does look symmetric.[/font][/size][4][/font] There is still the problem of the circumferential current. No matter how many times the winding encircles the core and no matter how thin the wire, this toroidal inductor will still include a one coil loop in the plane of the toroid. This winding will also produce and be susceptible to an [/font][/size]E[/font][/size] field in the plane of the inductor.[/font][/size]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers


synchro1

Quote from: wings on April 03, 2014, 09:13:34 PM
be sure that the torus coil have a return winding otherwise the vector potential effect is vanished .... at the end you have a one coil that have an axial inductive effect :


No matter how many times the winding encircles the core and no matter how thin the wire, this toroidal inductor will still include a one coil loop in the plane of the toroid. This winding will also produce and be susceptible to an [/font][/size]E[/font][/size] field in the plane of the inductor.[/font][/size]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers


Here's JLN's circuit diagram:

wings

Quote from: synchro1 on April 03, 2014, 09:20:16 PM

Here's JLN's circuit diagram:
are the two toroid winding sense opposite ... this can work ... = you have two coil loop with opposite coil effect = 0