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tesla zpr generator cosmic energy

Started by tturner, May 26, 2014, 12:47:38 PM

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thx1138

Quote from: tturner on May 27, 2014, 07:59:38 PM
so I'm reading Tesla's book called the problem with increasing human energy and it says a couple paragraphs into the book that his inexhaustible energy for the world the unlimited energy was the burning of nitrogen check it if you don't believe me but I didn't really expect that definitely have to keep investigating this research
To understand Tesla's work there's two things that are critical.

1. You have to understand the times he lived in and what was unknown at that time, which was a lot of what we take for granted today. In the mid to late 1800's there were no cars or highways for them or airplanes or satellites. Short transporation was by foot or horse. Longer transportation was by steam engine rail over land and steam powered ships over water. The oil industry didn't exist so there were no plastics and coal was the chief mobile fuel source. Telegraphs were in use but most communication was by postal service. Astronomers didn't have telescopes powerful enough to distinguish the difference between stars and galaxies so galaxies were unknown. Geophysics didn't exist and the structure of the planet was largely unknow. The theory of an inner and outer core to the earth wasn't developed until the 1930's. Tectonic plate theory wasn't widely accepted until the 1960's.  That's just a few examples.

2. Tesla was so prolific that you need to focus on one single line of inquiry and read his articles, presentaions, and patents in a sequential manner to see how his ideas developed while looking for the parts that apply to that one line of inquiry. Don't get sidetracked by what others say about what Tesla said. Get it only directly from the source. There is so much misinterpretation of what he actually said on the internet that any real knowledge gets lost like a needle in a haystack. Here's an example: a lot of people thought Tesla's Wardenclyffe project was going to transmit power through the air from the top of the tower. If you read the patents you'll see he initially planned to transmit power between tethered balloons at 30,000 feet but no one ever mentions that. That example also plays into item 1 - that's the altitude of the 250+ MPH winds known as the jet stream so it probably would have failed but the jet stream was unknown at the time. He never attempted it because he discovered he could transmit through the ground.

Good luck with your studies. I hope the above helps. I've been at it 3 years now and have probably missed more than I've really absorbed.

forest

Tesla worked simultaneously in two directions. Only one can be easily known from his lectures, articles. The second one we knew only from rarely spotted comments, usually cut in the middle by saying something like " I'm not able yet to go into details"

Farmhand

I've never read Tesla mention ZPR or ZPE, I've read him mention cosmic rays and charged particles ect, but if there is written by Tesla about ZPR or even ZPE I would like to see it in context.

I think a lot of people also believe that Tesla was planning to provide OU energy for everyone for free, and yet I am fairly sure I read that he was installing steam powered generators at Wardencliff.

Then there is the misconception of Tesla's resonant coils being OU based on oscillating power figures compared to input power rather than output power compared to input power.

Some people seem to think Tesla hid OU everywhere when in fact many of his inventions were very conventional as the term applies now. Car alternators with the opposing saw tooth poles are based loosely I think on one of his HF alternator patents I think.

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Shanti

@Farmland:

Full Ack!!!

As Tinsel already  stated, I think much of the misunderstanding from people reading Tesla is based on poor electrical knowledge coupled with an expecting biased view.
Like that people interprete complete wrong things into Tesla's words. E.g. Lyne is a famous example. If you take the parts, he cites about Tesla mentionedn the Anti-Grav or OU, you clearly recognize that Tesla meant something completely different, and only someone without knowledge in (HV) electronics can interpret it that way.
Like Lyne with his generator many people seem to think, that if you accumulate energy in an oscillator, that you get OU.
"Look, there's now more energy in the oscillator, than the input energy". But they do not seem to realize that this is just accumulated energy, and that you cannot get continuous output energy with such a high power. Many of the QEG supporters also seem to make this error.


Just ask yourself:
Tesla proposed to transmit energy from all around the globe to where it shall be used, with his magnifying transmitter.  But he himself stated, that now such transmitting towers can be built directly at the power plants. Like that power plants, like water, geothermic, wind, ... can be built everywhere on the world, where they are economic and you just have to place such a tower beside it to transmit it globally.

Why should he propose transmitting energy with his tower from conventional power plants, if he had any OU device???
Tesla surely thought and speculated, that maybe it is possible to make an OU device.
But actually Tesla never said, he had made an OU device.
Well except for one exception. And as from his description of this invention it is clear, what it was: A heat pump. And yes, a heat pump is OU. But not the type of OU we want.
You must be aware, that at Tesla's time it wasn't yet known, that some types of energy are less "in quality" than others. That's the reason, why you cannot make a self looping device from a heat pump. As any conversion back to mechanical energy from the heat pump OU heat difference has a reciprocal efficiency that equals or is less than the heat pump efficiency for generating the temp difference.

Just my 2 cents...


thx1138

Quote from: Farmhand on May 29, 2014, 04:50:17 AM
I've never read Tesla mention ZPR or ZPE, I've read him mention cosmic rays and charged particles ect, but if there is written by Tesla about ZPR or even ZPE I would like to see it in context.
IMO, that's people misinterpreting what Tesla said because they don't consider what was not known in Tesla's day.  From [font=]Experiments with Alternate Currents of High Potential and High Frequency, Lecture before the Institution of Electrical Engineers, London, 02/03/1892 [/font][font=]"Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point of the universe." [/font]and "Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic – and this we know it is, for certain – then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature."

I suppose that could be interpreted a zpe by those who don't understand history at the point when he made those statements. Today, however, we have systems using that power in the satellites circling the globe and the space probes that go to other planets like Saturn and beyond to the edge of the solar system.

QuoteI think a lot of people also believe that Tesla was planning to provide OU energy for everyone for free, and yet I am fairly sure I read that he was installing steam powered generators at Wardencliff.
Quite true and there are photographs. http://www.teslascience.org/archive/descriptions/WP015.htm

And he never planned on supplying electricity to anyone for free. The fact that it could be transmitted to the most remote parts of the planet was sufficient to change the world. He never said anything that I am aware of that it would be free. In fact he said, "My belief is firm in a law of compensation. The true rewards are ever in proportion to the labour and sacrifices made." - from his autobiography.

He also had patents to proivide individualization that I think were frequency based that would require the receiver to be tuned to the transmitting frequency: US 723,188, US 725,605, and British 14,579. So the power producer could terminate the transmission on a given frequency if the customer didn't pay his bills without affecting other customers. Tesla was always talking about transmitting power on industrial scales so it isn't like every Tom, Dick, and Harry would have a receiver. Corporations or cities with finances to build a Wardenclyffe style installation would have receivers and could distribute power via wires to their customers.


QuoteSome people seem to think Tesla hid OU everywhere when in fact many of his inventions were very conventional as the term applies now.
I've yet to see an invention of his that can't be explained in today's conventional terms. What may have been a mystery back then is very well understood today. X-rays is a good example. Again it is necessary to understand what was not known back then. The atom was still considered to be the indivisible minimum of matter. So how could particles be transmitted through a Crooke's tube without breaking the tube?

I think where people get confused is they try to tie "radiant energy" and "wireless transmission" of power together. They are very loosely linked in that they are both "wireless". Radiant energy explains how the sun and stars transmit power to the earth's atmosphere by "rays", i.e. solar or cosmic rays, the rays being similar to Tesla's one wire transmission without a ground return, which he even states in a later interview.

His "wireless transmission" was to be accomplished regardless of the source so the plant could be located where the fuel was located, i.e. wind, hydro, coal, etc., and the power could be consumed where needed without  the cost of constructing and maintaining transmission lines. He states this in the patent US Patent 1,119,732 - System of Transmission of Electrical Energy, "In the accompanying drawing a general arrangement of appartus is diagaramatically illustrated such as I contemplate employing in the carrying out of my invention on an industrial scale - as, for instance, for lighting distant cities or districts from places where cheap power is obtainable."