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[MileHigh]

You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.

"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."

[Cap-Z-ro]

Never has one 'known' so much and accomplished so little...well nothing actually.

Regards...

[SeaMonkey]

You are scared because you don't want to show the world how you can't even answer a question about a simple circuit with a power supply and a single component.

"Twenty years of schooling and they put you on the day shift."

Miles,

Some of your utterances are simply inexplicable!  You're
obviously a mature man with what seems a childish
sense of superiority blended with a profound fear of
being perceived as less knowledgeable than your
adversaries.

Or, should we say, your "targets?"

Why you expend so much energy in pursuit of drama
is an intriguing proposition, to say the least.

This discussion has proven to be exceedingly fascinating
both from a technical/scientific standpoint as well as the
human relations standpoint.

It is refreshing to observe an experimenter who is well
learned in the arts and who is able to fend off his attackers
brilliantly.

The conversation is reminiscent of those on a clear summer's
eve under starry skies with calm seas when sailors gather
on the fantail to tell "sea-stories."   To a casual observer
it would seem that the participants were bitter enemies
but in truth are the best of friends.  Sailors have a keen sense
of bullshit detection and any who come on with bum scuttlebutt
are lambasted with most colorful and creative invective.

Such is the life of men who go to sea.

Those were the days...

[picowatt]

I am encouraging Tinman to do what he is doing.  Picowatt explained why there was no Lorentz force on the water to get it to form a vortex in the case of the solenoid.  That will likely be confirmed through good experiments soon.  That took the wind out of your victory jig.

There is no insulting of science going on - you saw good science the other day while we discussed the possibilities and explored possible explanations and suggested new tests - while you sat mute on the sidelines - another litmus test in action.

Actually, picowatt explained nothing.  I did however make a testable speculation, and Tinman was kind enough to perform an experiment regarding that.

I was intrigued by the vortex/no-vortex experiment using a PM and EM.  I believe there are an entire series of experiments that can be performed to further study why there was spin with the PM and not the EM.  However, I do not believe that the observed differences regarding the spin/vortex between the PM and EM "proves" anything regarding the OP's claims.  Further testing regarding the observed differences between the PM and EM may, or may not, in the end lend support to those claims, but until then, all one can state with any certainty is merely what is observed under the conditions present at the time of the experiments.  There remains far too many untested variables to draw any conclusions. 

Tinman was kind enough to perform the tests that he did, and although the observed spins using the PM seem readily explainable by conventional theory, further testing might change that opinion.  However, the PM versus EM differences seemed the most easy to work with, as the effect was readily observable and repeatable.  As Tinman seemed willing to do a test now and again, we might actually have progressed towards a further understanding of those observed differences. The entire process and discussions could have been a pleasant and possibly enlightening exercise.

However, this has got to be the ugliest thread anyone has seen in a long time, and there have been some doozies in the past.  Some areas of discussion that this thread has swung into are just unbelievable.  The level of personal attacks, unfounded accusations, condescension, overuse of bold and outright disrespect are just way off the charts.  The whole thread should be pasted over to a psych forum as fodder for discussion there.   

It really is quite ridiculous.  Is this the humanity we wish to save?   

But hey, no worries, the Holocene/6th Great extinction marches on...

PW

[Farmhand]

If it is supposed that a permanent magnet has a magnetic vortex then I suppose it must be a kinetic structure.
And as such, if it was in fact true then we should be able to place a coil at some angle to a permanent magnet pole
and it should produce an emf all on it's own.

Or is there two opposing vortices at each pole ? So that one cancels the effect of the other. As per Walter Russell.

And by the way why not cite his work ?

I must say that using fluids and disregarding fluid dynamics as well as other than magnetic forces/effects at play is not very scientific.

In my opinion the only real way to show definitively a magnetic vortex from a magnet pole would be to take the fluids out of the
situation, including air or as much air as possible and use high speed photography to catch a sequence of  images showing
snapshots of a vortex in action.

Does my picture below count as intertwined vortices ? It requires appropriate positioning of the break out point in relation to the
toroid terminal to get the effect going well.

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