Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[tinman]

If there is net charge movement, then there is a magnetic field.  Whether the charge moves by way of charged particles through a volume or charge appears to move because of charge movement on either side of a volume there is a magnetic field intrinsic to that charge movement, or so we think applying SR to: charge, time, distance, and the electric force.   

I don't know where Tinman can go by suggesting moving charge (in a wire) of any kind without a magnetic field when to the best of our knowledge a magnetic field is intrinsic to moving charge.

I never specified a wire Mark
There are other materials that conduct/carry current.
What about carbon fibre for instance.
Remember-think outside the norm. Lets see if we can find solutions that fit in with known science-lets find the loopholes

[MileHigh]

ErFinder:

You can run computer programs that just blindly try out millions and billions of computations in search of a good result that solves your problem.  With enough computing power and enough time I am certain a lot of valuable research has been done like this.

On the other hand, you can take a billion monkeys and sit them at a billion keyboards and have them type out stuff for a billion years, and the chances of them producing a single 2000-character page of English text that is coherent and makes sense is almost zero.

As a single individual with the thinking power of one person, forgetting about facts and reality and what we know does not give you much of a chance of coming up with some ideas of merit and value that can help us do practical things or solve our problems.

MileHigh

[MarkE]

I never specified a wire Mark
There are other materials that conduct/carry current.
What about carbon fibre for instance.
Remember-think outside the norm. Lets see if we can find solutions that fit in with known science-lets find the loopholes

It doesn't matter if you did or did not.  The wire isn't what's responsible for the magnetic field, the magnetic field is intrinsic to the moving charge, no matter how the charge is conveyed.

[MarkE]

Hello MarkE,

I appreciate your pointing out the facts, yours is a dying breed, what I mean to say is, you and others possessing a solid understanding of the facts are the voice of reason, your kind keep places like this grounded.  In light of this, it is with some regret that I feel the need to remind you of the fact that I stated in my post that I have very little use and or interest in the facts.  In the last few years I have come to the realization that facts function in a similar manner to the inductance of a coil, namely they are quite literally the opposition to change.  It is not my desire to challenge the facts or laws.  I desire to do more than our present adherence allows.  I am of the opinion that new limits cannot be established when we acknowledge and defend the established limitation as dictated by the facts.  I recognize that it isn't considered as being wise to ignore the facts, to forget where we come from would be a grave error, however, in my own defense, to defend that which was/is the opinion of another, an idea collectively agreed on because no better explanation was to be found is a far greater crime than blazing your own trail. 

The ideas you suggest are governed by your perspective, and your understanding and or interpretation of the facts.  A total neutralization is not necessary for accomplishing that which I am after.  Total nullification may indeed be impossible, but to say so prior to contemplating and testing all possible scenarios is unbecoming of one who truly desires to know uphold and share what could be considered as scientific truths.  As I pointed out, my post was simply a thought experiment for entertainment purposes only....my entertainment.


Regards

You made certain assertions, and I offered correction.  You can challenge or ignore those corrections as you choose.

[MileHigh]

It doesn't matter if you did or did not.  The wire isn't what's responsible for the magnetic field, the magnetic field is intrinsic to the moving charge, no matter how the charge is conveyed.

Exactly, and for Timman and others, nobody is stopping you from thinking outside of the box.  However, it's generally accepted that you do this at least with a sold frame of reference where you understand the currently accepted knowledge.  In other words you have a foundation underneath you.  It's like taking the example of Picasso and Andy Warhol.  Before they got into their own styles of abstract art they made conventional paintings - they had a mastery of the art of standard painting and drawing before they took it to a new level.

There is no point in talking about an "imaginary different type of wire" when the wire has nothing to do with it.  Like it or not, Nature is telling us that moving charges create a magnetic field.  You simply can't change that or change the "definition" of what a moving charge does.

Ridicule also does have a place in discourse within reasonable limits.  The guy who fakes his resume and claims he is a machinist with 15-years experience, then goes on the shop floor and destroys a $2500 piece of aluminium stock because he has no clue how to operate the CNC machine deserves some ridicule.  If somebody is a big faker about electronics and they talk a lot of BS then sometimes they deserve some ridicule also.  Look at the so-called "smart guys" or "knowitalls" - they also get ridiculed except it's for different reasons.

MileHigh