Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[MarkE]

@tinman
There lies the problem I think and I have been through almost everything I could find from A to Z on both sides of the fence however I found no reasonable answers to the big questions. Nowhere on the internet or otherwise have I ever read a reasonable answer concerning what the magnetic field is because no rational physicist would tell us the answer. The only answer I found after years of research was -- virtual particles popping in and out of existence from multiple parallel universes... as you can imagine I was disappointed.

And so being dissatisfied you elect to ignore what we understand of the behavior?  Just how does that make any sense?

I understand the concept sounds absurd and fundamentally it would seem impossible however I think it's important to understand the psychology behind it. All the concepts, equations and math revolve around closed systems because an open system cannot be rationalized nor quantified offering a near infinite number of variables. This is how science works and if it cannot be quantified then it is rejected which once again comes full circle back to basic psychology. The human mind must reject that which it cannot understand or rationalize or we begin to lose our grip on what we perceive as reality.

If an idea is not testable, then it remains just an idea.

The alter ego is that the reverse may be true, if our mind will not allow an open system because it cannot be rationalized then logic stipulates the system must always remain closed and we are bound to that construct right or wrong. Thus it does not matter how factual or improbable the answer is it must be the correct one because all other possibilities must be rejected. At which point the logic concerning the proverbial closed system must spiral down the rabbit hole reinforcing itself within itself as it goes.

You are conflating analysis techniques with belief systems.

I'm not sure how many here have studied psychology however there is a saying which covers the bulk of it in my opinion -- the only ones who are truly insane are the ones who believe they are not in some way. That is those who are without doubt and reject all other possibilities or beliefs without question. Which explains many things doesn't it?, it is not a simple matter of convincing an insane person they are in fact insane because they will always reject that reality in every case. There is literally no convincing them of anything which in itself defines the actual mental disorder and not the external patterns of behavior... they will not listen.
In any case most all of the greatest minds in our history were pretty much loco so right or wrong were all in good company.

If all members of set B are also members of set A, it does not follow that all members of set A are also members of set B.  Some people are very bright and crazy.  Some people are just crazy.

AC

[MarkE]

@MarkSometimes it's not the destination but the journey that matters most and making mistakes are a fundamental part of learning.

Refusing to acknowledge reality when it is pointed out doesn't sound much like learning to me.  Discouraging people pointing out reality seems counter to learning to me.

I know all of us have done this very thing at one point or another moreso me however you my friend are an exception to the rule. I cannot even imagine you doing such a thing...the nerve of some people, puny mortals, lol.

It is "Pathetic Earthlings!"

AC

[allcanadian]

@Mark

And so being dissatisfied you elect to ignore what we understand of the
behavior?  Just how does that make any sense?

Not dissatisfied as they have taken it as far as they are able and answered many questions and in the process raising many questions. I was dissappointed that it devolved into wonderland as it often does. How does a particle popping in and out of existence violating the conservation of mass and energy make sense?... I do not know.

If an idea is not testable, then it remains just an idea

I would agree just as a virtual particle and wormholes are just idea's.

You are conflating analysis techniques with belief systems.

Oh I conflate many things however I do not believe this was one of them. Is analysis not a belief?, we observe and measure things and hope what we are seeing is real however some other person with better data may reject our analysis. Potatoe Potato Tomatoe Tomato, in many cases we reject what is different not because it is right or wrong but simply because it is different.

If all members of set B are also members of set A, it does not follow that all
members of set A are also members of set B.  Some people are very bright and crazy. Some people are just crazy.

All this math is confusing me, lol, I like history versus popular opinion because it depicts real people instead of legends. I mean it is mind boggling just how completely messed up the greatest minds of science were. They were womanizers, drug addicts, alcoholics, psychopaths, sociopaths and the list of mental disorders just goes on and on and on. They were people who had the greatest contempt for their peers which is seldom if ever mentioned in the textbooks. Yes they were the greatest minds in science however they did not reach that status by towing the party line, they cut it with a freaking hatchet. As I said I like history.
From the greatest scientist in history--
"To myself I am only a child playing on the beach, while vast oceans of truth lie undiscovered before me.", Isaac Newton


AC

[tinman]

Why would you conclude such a thing?  Wrenches are very basic things.  Here in the USA we have metric and imperial (SAE) sizes.  Anyone who has worked on cars even as a hobby has been exposed to both metric and SAE tools and hardware as very basic tools of the trade.  So someone who doesn't know the difference has been living in a hole somewhere.  A auto tech trained on digital will still know what a spark plug is and a coil even if they are not familiar with the old distributors with breaker points and a single common coil.

There in lies the problem--one day your imperial system will be long forgotten. Here in australia you would be hard pressed to find any new car that has imperial fixtures(nuts/bolts etc) ,as we went digital quite some time ago.
Year after year,the old is forgotten,and the new arives. To assume that our children will be taught something that no longer exist is just incorrect. ask any chiled today what and how an analog phone worked,and they would ask-whats an analog phone. But ask the same question about digital,and wether there a digitech or not,they'll give you more than you bargained for.

[tinman]

And so being dissatisfied you elect to ignore what we understand of the behavior?  Just how does that make any sense?

That is the problem,you dont understand the behavior.
You may observe the behavior,you may build machines based around that behavior-->but you do NOT understand it.