Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[TinselKoala]

Sure, and I'm doing it here in South Texas with the n56 discs. If you could mount the magnet in a gimbal you could also see the dip of the field in your area. Take the mounted magnet on a trip and watch the dip angle change as you travel north and south. The closer to the equator you are, the more horizontal (no dip) the field, and so it should be easier to stand the disk on edge and it should orient strongly. In the far North or South, it should be difficult even to stand the magnet on edge, because it will want to align with the dip of the earth's field which gets larger as you approach the pole.

ETA: Let us please not forget that lots of people still are navigating using magnetic compasses to find their way to their destination. And that many different scientific and academic agencies are monitoring the Earth's field continuously.

[tinman]

Also posted at OUR

Hey Grum

Thanks for showing.  Ill check the vid when I get home. Shop laptop is acting up with vids and such.

Tk says its always been this way..   He also said that the more powerful mags these days are the reason why.

Well, that disk and a stack of them are from about 10 years ago and they are not the strongest puppys I own over that period. Ace hardware pack.

Back then I was setting them up on end like that many times without this issue. In fact I clearly remember thinking how weak the earths field was as I would have to hang the mag from a thread then to have it go back and forth  slowly till finally resting N n S.   I tried a piece of 42 awg wire taped to the edge yesterday and it definitely turns like there is a local source, or, the earths field is stronger, not like I witnessed back then. Ive never had to recheck other tables, out on the sidewalk, in the middle of a street, the kitchen counter, the bathroom vanity just to have some solid verification. Ive had issues with screws or metal framework under a table top and eliminated them and would have to say, never was there an effect like this that was 'too' noticeable to ignore. Was thinking all last night, wow, this is strong enough to offset things if your a magnet motor experimenter.

Anyway, so far, Dreamthinkbuild verified it in NY, and now you.   Now I want to see what others like Lasersaber and Oldscientist, some that would fully see a possible difference as compared to just some years ago due to their vast experience with mags.

Thanks Grum. 

Mags

Same here in West OZ Mags-a very strong rotation on the disk magnets.Never thought it would be this strong. But i am lost as to how you think this would aid in an all magnet motor . What would be the difference in using the earths magnetic field as apposed to that of a PM's magnetic field?.

This actually give me an idea for free energy travel lol-will have to do a video on this one for sure.

[allcanadian]

@Mag

Thanks for testing.  Spooky is a good word for it.    looked up YT
for neo magnet compass and there are a few in the last couple years with some
decent movement. But not any old vids of it.

We should remember that the concept of flying through the air was also spooky not long ago because most thought it impossible. I would agree this neo magnet compass is something new... to you, however I noticed this effect a very long time ago. Think about it, how small the compass needle is and how small and weak it's field is and how fast it tracks the Earths magnetic field. Now consider your magnet and how powerful it is in relation to a compass needle.
No offense but if were going to move forward people have to stop chasing smoke and mirrors. We must think clearly concerning what we think we see and why it is happening. Now which do you think is more likely... the Earths magnetic field just increased drastically or you just learned something new which should have been obvious?.
AC

[tinman]

It's a map of how a particular kind of test particle will move, at any particular place in space. I know that's not a very satisfactory answer. You could think of it as an actual warpage of space, like gravity, but only acting not on mass but on charge. What causes the warpage? For EM, it is charge. For gravity, it is mass. Charge and mass/energy are fundamental, conserved quantities. Explain them, and you have explained just about every mystery in physics. Magnetic fields can store momentum. This is almost as good as having mass, when it comes to moving other stuff around by interacting with it. Moving, changing, accelerating back and forth magnetic fields do produce, somehow, photons. They are of such low frequency/long wavelength that they cannot be called "light" and it is more convenient to treat them as waves: radio waves for example. Whatever is making the field oscillate is putting in the energy that is radiated outward as photons of the RF. Sounds like a great movie, dunnit? Photons of the RF.... Angels. Or little arrows in a 3-d field simulator.    But they don't, and the field doesn't do that, and nothing is flowing along a field line unless you put it there (like plasma, etc.). Now you are asking questions that are above my pay grade. I will have to defer to TA on that one.

There must be something that act's against the other something . What i mean is-one magnetic field acts against the other,wether it be like poles ,or unlike poles. You just cant have nothing interacting with another nothing So what dose this invisable force consist of?.

Quote:  They are of such low frequency/long wavelength that they cannot be called "light"
They are called what then?,and would a solar pannel see this low frequency/long wave length?.Wouldnt that be a hoot-throw some magnets on a solar pannel,and produce power without light

[Magluvin]

Same here in West OZ Mags-a very strong rotation on the disk magnets.Never thought it would be this strong. But i am lost as to how you think this would aid in an all magnet motor . What would be the difference in using the earths magnetic field as apposed to that of a PM's magnetic field?.

This actually give me an idea for free energy travel lol-will have to do a video on this one for sure.

Never said it would help with making a magnet motor.    I have played pretty heavily with mags for nearly 10 years.  When I had first seen the perendev motor, that was when I got pretty serious. Not that i believe the perendev motor worked, but the idea of it all just really took off for me.

But in all that time doing this that and the other with these neo mags, some of it on YT, tons of it just on the bench, I should have seen this then. I should have seen it 1 year ago, 2 years ago, 8 years ago.  Stood these disks on edge many times and no issues like this.

Did a test today after work.  I set up an identical disk mag on one end of pvc board, 1/8 in has very smooth surface, with masking tape on edge facing N/S. Then I put another disk on edge between the fixed mag and earth N.  8 inches away from each other was a neutral zone where the free standing mag could face E/W without falling over, turning toward the other mag or turning toward N or turning full N.  8 inches.  Im sorry but this should have come to my attention long ago. Im still in disbelief that this isnt something that is more recent of a happening. 

Anyway, 8 inches.  Thats how strong the earths field is, equal to a similar magnet 8 inches away. Like I said, Ive had many issues with nails in a table, or screws, a nearby screw driver causing a mag in a project to want to turn in the direction of that object. And also issues with nearby magnets close to projects that affected desired effects. So this should have affected many of the projects/experiments that i have done. So this strong earth field should have been a problem(noticed AND recognized) for me many times before, considering it is equal to another similar magnet 8 inches away. Thats what I meant about its affects on peoples projects/mag motors, etc. 

Mags