Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[EMJunkie]

If a single Flux Line is Cut with a Conductor with Linear Velocity of Either the Conductor or the Flux Line (Line of Force) it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sine of the cross product of V and I as a result of Bvl, to change.

ONLY after change in Direction of Velocity or a change in the Direction of the Conductor Windings can the Sine Change! Standard Physics 101

[allcanadian]

@MH

Pictures of the world and ferrofluid have already been rejected Chris as not
advancing your argument.  You mocked my "travel through a magnet" discussion as
being silly.  What I said was real, it's your pictures that are silly!

Personally I would disagree and believe Chris has made some valid points ( I do not reject all of it) which nobody here seems willing to address in the proper context. I do agree with your"travel through a magnet" example however we are debating whether the magnetic field geometry reflects the iron filings pattern we see. So why are you trying to argue what a magnet is when that is completely out of context. We are speaking of the magnetic field not the magnet and yes Chris has made some valid points in that context.
I mean I'm trying to be as unbiased as I possibly can and I mean that sincerely but Chris keeps posting examples clearly showing a change near the center then everyone gives an answer which is completely out of context. Ranting on about 200 years of science, who gives a shit, we are talking about the present not the past and if someone does not have a rational explanation then they should just say so. This is bullshit that everyone is trying to win the argument at any cost without actually answering the hard questions and you guys know this, answer the question.
AC

[MarkE]

If a single Flux Line is Cut with a Conductor with Linear Velocity of Either the Conductor or the Flux Line (Line of Force) it is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sine of the cross product of V and I as a result of Bvl, to change.

ONLY after change in Velocity or a change in the Direction of the Conductor Windings can the Sine Change! Standard Physics 101

You can stomp your feet and scream and do whatever you like to try and convince people that you believe the guff you promote.  You have in many posts now established that you have no evidence in favor of your claims, and further established that you willfully ignore basic geometry, calculus, and electromagnetics.

[MarkE]

@MHPersonally I would disagree and believe Chris has made some valid points ( I do not reject it) which nobody here seems willing to address in the proper context. I do agree with your"travel through a magnet" example however we are debating whether the magnetic field geometry reflects the iron filings pattern we see. So why are you trying to argue what a magnet is when that is completely out of context. We are speaking of the magnetic field not the magnet and yes Chris has made some valid points in that context.
I mean I'm trying to be as unbiased as I possibly can and I mean that sincerely but Chris keeps posting examples clearly showing a change near the center then everyone gives an answer which is completely out of context. Ranting on about 200 years of science, who gives a shit, we are talking about the present not the past and if someone does not have a rational explanation then they should just say so. This is bullshit that everyone is trying to win the argument at any cost without actually answering the hard questions and you guys know this, answer the question.
AC

Do you believe that he has established any evidence for a Bloch wall at the center of a bar magnet?  Do you believe that he has established any evidence for the idea that magnetic field contours around a dipole magnet form a figure eight, extending not from pole to pole, but extending from each pole to the center of teh dipole magnet?

If you believe in this curling near the center of the magnet, then why does test after test show that the field is in fact its most parallel to the dipole axis at the center rather than curling there?

EMJUNKIE has posted so many messages that are completely over the top that it is looking more and more that he is just putting on an act.

[Pirate88179]

I wonder if NASA has ever conducted a 3d experiment in either the shuttle or the space station using a strong magnet and iron filings or ferro fluid?

In a container, with iron filings or ferro fluid, and the magnet in the center, what would we see in micro gravity?

My only problem with the iron filings example which, of course, has been used for years, is that it is 2 dimensional.  Not that it would support or deter this argument going on here...I just always thought it would be cool to see this in 3-d.  Would the filings, or the fluid move or circulate?  Or remain stable like we see here on earth in 2-d.  In other words, is there a current or flow to this field?  Or, would we just a representation of field lines as TK says that we see on a topo map.

Does anyone remember/know if this has been done?

Thanks,

Bill