Magdrive HHO Generators

[Alfang]

Vincent   I agree with you, a running engine will wear out before it rusts out, and if rusting to death is their concern, big deal, create the process that works. let the engineers figure out how to make it rust proof.
If I had this process working, and i was going through an engine every couple months, or even weeks. I would not dilute it with gasoline for the sake of preventing rust.
If they are using gas for the sake of engine life, i gotta raise my hand and call BS. their system is not working as claimed

[IronHead]

The combustion of Gasoline produces a lot of water and adding the water from the air as well .Thats why so much water from the tail pipe.

This is nothing compared to a full on HHO engine but there is still a lot water in the Gasoline combustion engine.

So it is not going to rust you car engine anymore than the air/gas mix in a Gasoline engine.
But in some cases , in some electrolyzers were caustics have been added to the water an engine will fall apart in a very short time do to rust.

Just wanted to say there are some people out there running full on HHO . They are still a bit scared to come to public  as of the horror
stories of back in the days when people got shot or poisoned for such a device. Others just don't have internet or don't care about others .

[h20power]

Well, yes, but they probably mix it somehow still with air !
In the video you can see the vacuum gauge meter and it still
displays around 17 to 22 PSI vacuum pressure when the motor
runs on pure HHO.
Maybe they still mix it inside the carburator with air..

Also from my own experiments I know, that a vacuum can pull
a lot more HHO gas from the electrolyser !

That is one trick to get much more gas out there !
Also they run it just WITHOUT a bubbler, which I find personaly is
pretty dangerous as they also use stainless steel for the container
and if their flashback arrestor does not work in any instance,
this will be a big bomb going off, but it seems
to be the only solution to be
able to pull the vacuum above the gas and thus produce a lot
more gas via the vacuuma and don?t use an expensive vacuum pump
for this...


If I start again experimenting with HHO gas production I would
rather go with a vacuum pump to produce a vacuum above the gas
and better use only plastic cylinders and only stainless steel mesh
inside the electrolyser and have a bubbler behind it for safety reasons...

But maybe someone from the forum can order such a unit for his car,
hey these are already available and only go between 170 and 300 US$ and
you can at least save 30 to 50 % fuel, if you go just for the booster version...

Unfortunately they only ship inside the USA, so I can not order it.

It would be good to see this fitted to an external 2000 Watts
powersupply motor-generator
combination and see, if this unit can power itsself and still power
a few incandescent lamps with it !

This would be a nice test, if someone could do this and would prove the overunity
factor in these devices !

Many thanks !

Regards, Stefan.

Hi All
I am going to let you guys in on a secret. It has to do with the phase diagram of water. Everyone knows that it takes less energy to boil water when you decrease the pressure, right? The same is true for electrolysis, what people seem to miss is vacuums also does work to the system. The work it does takes the energy needed to break water down and lowers it. If you do the math its a A, B, C, graph; A is at normal 1 atm before the engine starts, B is at engines idle vacuum atm's, and C is at engines max rpm vacuum atm's. As long as the engine is running it will never go to 1 atm. Trust me the math checks out just fine, no laws of physics are broken . The vacuums use just makes it way more efficient is all . I have a lot of secrets or new theories to the workings of these types of cells. If you look around no one has ever done electrolysis under a vacuum before, this is why the science guys don't know about this, for they are all book and not really able to think out of the box of the written text from their books. This should settle just where the extra energy is coming from. Plus water in my opinion is an over unity molecule, no other molecule can even come close to water is known to be able to do, the simple freezing of water defies logic. Everything else sinks when it is frozen in it's own liquid, ice floats in water. Occam's razor (also spelled Ockham's razor)  paraphrased as "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest hypothetical entities. Water has shown us in more ways than one that it is capable of being in over unity. We just have to except what it(water) is trying to tell us .

[h20power]

Oops, I forgot to mention that the power going in is constant so as the energy requirements drop too produce the gases the energy used to break water down stays the same, in other words the greater the vacuum the greater the gas production. Sorry I left that out.

[h20power]

Here is the math of the process: at 1 ATM and 298K the energy requirments are;
W = PΔV = (101.30 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 3.715 KJ  (this is part A to B on the graph area under the curve)

At .2 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are;
W = PΔV = (20.260 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.7431 KJ ( this is B to C on the graph area under the curve)

At .1 ATM and 298k the energy requirments are;
W = PΔV = (10.130 x 10^3 Pa)(1.5 moles)(22.4 x 10^-3 m^3/mol)(298K/273K) = 0.3715 KJ (end of graph)

Notice the change in energy needed to break water down . And to think I figured this out all on my own . Where are the big science guys , why hasn't anyone ever done this before Why , because they are out trying to solve the mysteries of the Univers when we still have plenty of mysteries on earth that need our attention.