The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Cap-Z-ro]

You guys appear to be nearing something significant, because a "new member" showed up "out of the blue" to offer some helpful but incomplete information...which oddly enough leads off in another direction.

Regards...

[MileHigh]

T-1000:

The coil natural resonance is at the play with it.

The above quote illustrates a classic problem that you see on the forums.  It applies to many people, not just you.  It's a kind of "blind belief" that "resonance is good" and that "must somehow" be part or all of the reason that the rotor speeds up.

This is a serious mistake and I ask you to think about this very seriously.  What do you mean by the coil resonance in the context of the clip?  Precisely why should the rotor speed up?  Can you draw a timing diagram that shows how the coil resonance interacts with the passing rotor magnets?  Can your timing diagram show how and why the rotor speeds up?

Don't worry, I am not expecting you to literally answer these questions, it's just to make you think.  If you have a pulse motor and a scope one day you should try to construct a timing diagram for your pulse motor to understand precisely what it is doing.  You have to have the rotor magnet position and the the voltage and current output from your pick-up coil when it is driving a load on your timing diagram.  You can then see the actual Lenz drag on the rotor magnet.  You can do a similar investigation for the drive coil to see exactly why the current consumption increases or decreases.

The most important lesson here is to think critically about these often repeated cliches.  "The pick-up coil goes into resonance and that makes the pulse motor run better."   Really?  Who says?  Does anyone have proof of this?  You need to challenge yourself and challenge your peers to avoid cliches and instead actually find out if they are true.

Also for different generator design seems you completely missed a point where moving static magnet becomes alternating magnet. The result will be not same "more physical force in for getting more power out". If you are still very skeptic by doing experiment this can be revealed on your table.

You can't just by "magic" change the polarity of a magnet inside a generator while it is running.  Even if you could that would  require energy to do that.  I am not sure what kind of experiment that you are suggesting but I can't see this idea becoming practical in any way.  All these ideas of "tricking" a system to get repulsion instead of attraction, etc, are things that you can experiment on if you want to.

Anyway, I hope this discussion makes you and other pulse motor enthusiasts think, and think critically about what you are observing when you work on a bench.   Simply observing a pulse motor speed up and then saying to yourself, "There, I have achieved the 'delayed Lenz effect'" is a big mistake.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Shylo:

The quotes come from me.

Captain Zero:

You have got to be kidding.  Focus on the global plight of the platypus or some other conspiracy.

MileHigh

[Cap-Z-ro]

Shylo:

The quotes come from me.

Captain Zero:

You have got to be kidding.  Focus on the global plight of the platypus or some other conspiracy.

MileHigh

That remark ladeees and gents, has all the ear marks of 'tag trolling'.

Regards...

[Dog-One]

Had to dig something up from history - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-0CvWYT8w Just listen on rotor speed change when generator coil is under different load and unloaded (or attach soundscope). There are quite many of videos like that.

Yes T.  When the coils have no electrical path, the energy induced in those coils has only one place to dissipate, that being back to the core and on to the rotor as a counter force to the direction of motion.  When the coils are connected to a load, any load, now that energy has an alternate path to dissipate and surprise, surprise, the rotor speed increases due to less counter force.  It may really be that simple.  One can play all the mind screw games they want and the obvious doesn't change.  Having said that, I actually think what you see though is a bit more complicated.  I think the electricity actually passes through the load, goes back to the coil and begins to alter the magnetic field in the core over enough time the force at the pole of the core is reversed as the magnet passes by.

So on the topic of Delayed Lenz Effect, lets just consider a simple piece of electrical grade steel.  As far as I'm aware, there is no measuring instrument that can show me exactly the propagation and displacement of a magnetic field as it penetrates and temporarily polarizes the steel.  So I cannot prove this one way or another and I doubt anyone else can either, but my gut says this does not happen instantaneously.  Which means if alternating magnetic fields pass by this piece of steel at sufficient frequency and short duration, the steel cannot possibly alter its magnetic orientation quickly enough to behave the same as it would with a simple hand demonstration.  What would be nice to know is if once the propagation starts, does it run to completion even when a reverse field interrupts it, or does it stop half way and begin to propagate in the other direction.  Either way, propagation of a magnetic field through this steel implies there is a delay, an event interval.  I happen to suspect the polarization occurs at the atomic level.  At this level, superposition is at play, which means the polarization runs through the steel in waves.  So we can clearly have magnetic self resonance within the steel itself.  What you see at the poles is almost no indication to what is happening inside.  And what is happening inside (the majority) also participates in the act of induction.


So if there are any measuring errors to correct, first find me an instrument that will let me see what I need to see to prove or disprove my instincts.  In the meantime, use a little logic and think as you go.  There are a lot of folks out there that would rather you just put all your research equipment on eBay and go watch football.  I'd rather you didn't give them what they want and instead look deeper and make something work the way you think it can.  I know T-1000 is, anyone else care to join him?