The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[MarkE]

Even if that were the case,  the coils would still produce opposite fields relative to each other which will cancel their CEMFs. I wish I haven't dismantled my bedini motor.

There is a common misconception that if two power sources are connected in parallel + to - / - to + that their EMFs cancel.  The falsity of that idea is readily demonstrated by the amount of heat dissipated by each source and the wiring in between.

[Just..Sayin..]

Even if that were the case,  the coils would still produce opposite fields relative to each other which will cancel their CEMFs. I wish I haven't dismantled my bedini motor.

Two strands of copper lying beside each other are not going to experience the effect of a magnetic field in a different way from each other, so they will not produce fields that would be different from one another. It does not matter from which direction they were placed beside each other. You cannot reverse the flow of electrons winding one coil from the left and one from the right. If it would work I believe Tesla and many others would have done it a long time ago.

[Madeo]

There is a common misconception that if two power sources are connected in parallel + to - / - to + that their EMFs cancel.  The falsity of that idea is readily demonstrated by the amount of heat dissipated by each source and the wiring in between.

I think i know what you are talking about.  It is similar principle to a resistor using opposing coils to cancel their EMFs but still allows current to pass.  Heat will be dissipated as a result. What I was proposing is using the opposing coils (bifilar wounded) as a generator in an attempt to circumvent Lenz.  My concerns would be that it may not produce voltages/current at all   or  that both coils would produce the same magnetic poles regardless of their windings as mentioned by a previous poster. Since, i have completely destroyed my Bedini motor,  I can't test this idea.  However, i will try a proof of concept by winding a small and simple coils then run a magnet through to see if would generate a voltage. If it does, then it would be worth investigating if the Lenz can be negated this way...


Peace 

[Madeo]

Two strands of copper lying beside each other are not going to experience the effect of a magnetic field in a different way from each other, so they will not produce fields that would be different from one another. It does not matter from which direction they were placed beside each other. You cannot reverse the flow of electrons winding one coil from the left and one from the right. If it would work I believe Tesla and many others would have done it a long time ago.

you are probably right.  If that video we saw was legit,  i don't see how else he could achieve the lenz-less effect while maintaining the same dimensions of the original motor/generator.  If it was done any other way,  there would be some significant alterations to its internal components that may be evident with rods or extra coils sticking out of the generator itself... Just a thought.

[MileHigh]

Good thing i don't have that issue and i don't know what type of circuit you're using to drive your pulse motors... ...bedini, newman circuits can give strange readings because the energy that is needed from the trigger coil to activate the base of the transistor depends on the rpm of the rotor...
And i have little experience with bedini and newman type circuits...i mostly work with Mosfet/Hall drive circuits...

Since my pulse motors are driven by Mosfet/Hall circuits every little bit of lenz effect from the generator coil can be seen and heard at the drive side wich is perfect because for me to improve on something i must be able to see, hear and feel it so i wouldn't want to have it any other way...
The moment the generator rotor starts to slow down for even a tiny bit the pulse duration of the hall sensor becomes longer and this reflex immediately on the input power...

And it really doesn't matter if the drive rotor and generator rotor are on the same shaft, 3 shaft or even 6 shaft connected by pulleys and belts...Lenz effect will always be felt by the drive side...

And i mostly work wih aircore coils wich is the best way to learn about the lenz effect because there no core to give you extra cogging before you start to use the capacity of the coil...

MOSFET or transistor doesn't really matter, both will act as a switch to energize the drive coil.  I agree with you about the energy required to drive the base resistor to switch on the transistor possibly being an issue.  That is a design issue for any pulse motor based on a trigger coil and a base resistor - can you find a trigger coil configuration and a value of the base resistor that gives you the most efficient operation for the triggering system?   However, that's an issue that is above the level of a typical pulse motor builder so it never gets discussed.  See, that's a "rock and a hard place" moment right there.  You get criticized for not being a "builder."  If you are not a "builder" then you have "no right" to talk about something.  Then, if you talk about something that is above the level of a typical pulse motor builder, then it is "just words" and more "laws" stuff.  It's a no-win situation.

You can hear some effects of the Lenz drag from a generator coil and observe some changes in the pulse motor.  The most obvious one is that the pulse motor RPM will decrease.  However, there is a "problem" with typical pulse motors in that they have notoriously little average torque, and they also have very limited capacity to respond to an increased load situation, like adding a generator coil, and output more power to try to maintain the same rotor speed.

You say the rotor slows down and that means the drive coil is energized for a longer time.  That's true, but the ON percentage time per revolution stays about the same.  So the rotor slows down under load, but the power duty cycle that energizes the drive coil stays about the same.  Therefore the input power to the motor stays about the same.

That suggests another potential winner for the Pulse Motor Build Off 2015:  Design a pulse motor that senses when a load is put on the rotor and then compensates by increasing the input power to bring the rotor back to the approximately the same speed.  In other words, design a pulse motor that fixes the "flaw" in the basic pulse motor architecture.  You could do it all-analog, or do it with a microcontroller.  Personally if I was going to take up the challenge, I would go the analog route.

MileHigh