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The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Started by syairchairun, November 09, 2014, 09:05:00 AM

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NoBull

Instead of trying to cheat Mr.Lenz with irrelevant VRM, etc... it is much more interesting to ponder the recovery of ferromagnetic polarization energy from an air core coil that attracts a movable soft ferromagnetic core from afar.

lumen

Quote from: NoBull on December 24, 2014, 08:44:19 PM
Instead of trying to cheat Mr.Lenz with irrelevant VRM, etc... it is much more interesting to ponder the recovery of ferromagnetic polarization energy from an air core coil that attracts a movable soft ferromagnetic core from afar.

NoBull:

That old and tired method has been tried by every pulse motor builder for the last ten years. Zero success!


A superconducting coil would have 100% Lenz.
Any induced coil current would respond with 100% Lenz.

Lenz is not well understood by most. Connect a battery to a coil and you generate a magnetic field because you have current flowing in the coil.

When the coil cuts a magnetic field loop current is induced in the shorted coil and this same current generates a magnetic field just like the battery did.
Nothing special, nothing magical, just current in the coil generating a magnetic field.

If possible, cheating Lenz would be your only hope for success.
Core loss for any reason could be reduced or nearly eliminated if you first found a way to remove Lenz from the picture.

Lenz is the primary issue when converting work to electrical current.


lumen

Quote from: gotoluc on December 24, 2014, 07:45:13 PM
Thanks guys, I won't cut anything for now.

@ lumen, do you think my U-core should be wider as Kator01 mentions below. It's not a problem to make it wider if you think it needs it!

Luc:

When the C reaches the ends of the coils two cores, the idea is to have the C short the field at this point across the two coil cores.
The shorting will reduce the magnetic field loops and contain it in two separate loops inside the coil.
There should be nearly no field leaving the core at this point which is the basis for placing Lenz on the other side of the prime mover.
When the C section rotates about 20 degrees, the field loops will expand and cut the coil to connect to the C section which is reversed of the normal method of using the Iron C to push the field into the coil and against Lenz.
With load on the coil, the loops are prevented from expanding outward cutting the coil by Lenz and can only cut the coil with a force dependent on the magnet itself.

NoBull

Quote from: lumen on December 25, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
NoBull:
That old and tired method has been tried by every pulse motor builder for the last ten years. Zero success!
Really?  Can you point me to an example?

Quote from: lumen on December 25, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
A superconducting coil would have 100% Lenz.
Any induced coil current would respond with 100% Lenz.
Yes, but don't all loaded coils respond to external flux change according to Lenz's law?

Quote from: lumen on December 25, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
Lenz is not well understood by most. Connect a battery to a coil and you generate a magnetic field because you have current flowing in the coil.
That behavior is the subject od Ampere's law of magnetostatics.
Lenz's law is a qualitative law that only states the polarity of the induced voltage (emf) and current (if one is allowed to flow) in response to a changing external flux. 
It doesn't even state their magnitude, bummer:(

Quote from: lumen on December 25, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
When the coil cuts a magnetic field loop, current is induced in the shorted coil and this same current generates a magnetic field just like the battery did.
Except this internally generated flux is in the opposite direction to the external changing (cut) flux.
In an ideal shorted coil this internally generated flux is equal but opposite to the external changing flux and when you add both of them up, the net flux penetrating the coil (their sum) stays constant (see this video)

Quote from: lumen on December 25, 2014, 01:02:29 AM
If possible, cheating Lenz would be your only hope for success.
Lenz is the primary issue when converting work to electrical current.
Without Lenz's law behavior, the changing magnetic flux would not be converted to electrical current in a coil/conductor, regardless of what caused that external flux change.

In other words, if you get rid of coil's response according to Lenz's law then you get rid of Faraday's law response, too and all induced current with it. 
Mathematically Lenz's law is the -1 factor in the Faraday's law. Getting rid of it (setting it to zero) would cancel the entire Faraday's law and kill all induction with it :(

thngr

Do not read above pointless debate, instead read older posts, if you are looking for free energy devices! so many hothads we have.