Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!

[dieter]

Thanks Tinsel, just found it. Rather hidden imho. Anyhow, got to add some nicks there...

[MileHigh]

The test was using a 25 Ohm load. Show me the post where I wrote a 25 Ohm load will have no increased in power draw.
Also, I was testing this with half the RPM and power input then the first test but it's clear to me now that you are not here to help a researcher as you have once again taken the first opportunity to try to discredit me and that I don't know what I'm doing.

You will not be able to support your written statement above and I'm no longer going to bother replying to your posts.

Best to move along now

Regards

Luc

Yes I made a mistake there.  You stated that there would be no increased power draw from the prime mover for a load that dissipated less power than the 25-ohm load.  I think that you were referring to the one-ohm load test when you said that.  I told you that there was no "magic" there and you were simply "wanting to believe" what the Kill-a-Watt meter was showing you even through it was an inappropriate measuring device for your setup.  Not to mention the fact that you should have known beforehand that the Lenz drag was there.

So I may have been wrong about the value of the load resistor and the amount of power we are talking about, but the principle of what I stated remains true.  You stated that you could use a generator coil to output power into a one-ohm load resistor with no affect on the prime mover and that statement is completely wrong.

And right now you are probably set up to see if there is a change in the power draw of the motor when you use a one-ohm resistor on the generator coil.  I can't be sure that you will have the precision, but it sure as hell looks like you will.   So, supposing you do indeed see an increased power draw by the motor when you compare no-load on the generator coil vs. a one-ohm load on the generator coil?  Then what?

Notice you are just being nit-picky about one comment and you are ignoring the entire discussion about the experimental results.

What I said about your experimental results is 100% valid.  There is no "1.1 watts of gained power."  That conclusion is wrong.  So what are you going to do about that issue?

MileHigh

[synchro1]

@Milehigh,

That 1.1 watts has to be converted to "Negative Microhenries" to get your heat loss formula to work, and what that results in is cooling.

[ramset]

MH
its not always what you say
its how you say it
and to boot, instead of offering a quick fix to focus the data being generated by the DUT .
you throw it back on your "student" for another opportunity to embarrass.


such holes in your "help"  do make one wonder what you are truly doing here or just how much you really have done on the bench ...


just a 100% valid observation...
and I'll leave you alone here too....
thx
Chet

[MileHigh]

Chet:

Right.  All of the experimenters have delicate fragile egos.  Everything has to be oh so delicate.  You have to rewrite your prose several times so that it sounds like a Hallmark greeting card.  Yes, you have to invest three times the energy and three times the time every time you make a posting to correct or educate somebody but that's the way it is.  Heaven forbid if you just state the facts in a neutral way.

You are wrong about my motivations and are just putting a negative spin on them.

Meanwhile, have you ever seen me maliciously and viscously attacked?  How many times have you seen that happen?  How often have you protested this with somebody that is clearly going over the line?  Not too often, eh?  Perhaps even never.

Luc was given the real analysis of his testing.  Also, many times he has been corrected for mistakes by myself and others and I think that it is very rare that he acknowledges his mistakes and clarifies his position.  There is no special halo over Luc or any other experimenter.  Anybody that makes a mistake when they are in a public forum and sharing knowledge should ideally acknowledge their mistake and clarify where they stand.   Right now Luc is trying to do some tests related to the whole DLE issue and he interpreted his data incorrectly.  So what are you going to do?  Pretend that his interpretation is not wrong and encourage him?  Hire a writer from a greeting card company?  Shoot me?

MileHigh