Lenz free generator

[dieter]

Ok, after some breeding, what do you think about this:

[Madeo]

Hi guys,


I'm glad to see something really productive being posted here.  I was thinking that rather building a completely different generator/motor that is lenz free,  it would be equally just as effective if we can attach a regular generator to a Bi-toroid transformer. The generator would not feel any more resistance under load than it would be without one. Of course, building a Bi-toroid transformer is difficult but easier than a completely new type of generator.




Madeo

[life is illusion]

Ok, after some breeding, what do you think about this:

Hi dieter
Man, that video was really amazing! wow! I would looooove to know how it works!
And Lorenz force: I totally agree with you. I have spent hours studying those effects and I found very interesting things. I make a video about that subject soon and I share it with you guys The wire actually moves up and the moves to the side of the permanent magnet. Actually I think this test helped me to map the real shape of magnetic filed...
Aaaand your amazing model. I loved it. Really beautiful work my friend I also think maybe it could help if we would shape the magnets so that each magnet would cover almost half of the solenoid. And about the solenoids, do you think it would be any better if they were rectangular and not curved? I try to make a sketch and I hope I can show what I mean

I also think we should use Iron oxide powder and epoxy glue to make cores for the solenoids.

BR
Sam

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Hi life is illusion, thanks for sharing.
I had an air coil already made here and 2 large cylinder neo magnets to test this.
It seems when the magnets move perfectly aligned to the center as you show, no current is generated and of course no lenz resistance to motion either.
I feel the re-routing of induced lenz flux ideas are more promising.
peace love light

[dieter]

Thanks everybody for your answers.


Madeo,
You certainly have a point there, running a common generator over a BiToroid transformer could simplify the task. But it also requires to achieve a high coupling in the first place. It is definitely something to try, eg. when you have metglas or other high efficiency cores. BiToroids are hotly debated and not only the notorious sceptics have some doubts, so personally I first would habe to verify a couple of things. But thanks for the suggestion. Maybe a parallel project.


Lii, glad you like my model. That was some rather messy code to bend a torus to such a square bended coil.


In your drawing I see several things I want to address: The Magnet pairs should alternate in polarity (this may explain why Skywatcher123 didn't get any current).
And yes, the solenoid should be square. The most significant observation from the wire experiment is, the Lotentz force follows blindly the right hand rule! The magnetic field points away from the wire as the 90° thumb, so you should not cross the wire that way.
All we need is alternating flux, it does not matter from where the Magnet is coming. So we are approaching along the wire, as seen in the model. In your drawing you would move the PMs outward, so only the vertical sides will be in a strong field.


Using cores for the solenoid may or may not ruin the effect. This should be studied further. However, we have to expect lower watt per space, but that is fine for me if we really can turn off the Lorentz force.


Maybe a split core would be the solution, just two bars along the sides we are using. Furthermore, these sides may be longer than the width of the rectangular solenoid. A MOT secondary may work as the coil in a design like yours.


SkyWatcher123, thanks for your data, see my remark above. Rerouting is an other promising approach, but it also throws up many new questions, as I am just experiencing.


Merry christmas to all of you.


Peace