Lenz free generator

[life is illusion]

Here is one possible conclusion to the observation being made (which would be the piston system):

Hi dieter

If I understand correctly, in your last drawing on the right hand side, it is suggested that if we bring the coil down to the magnet, we will not face the lenz resistance! Am I right? Well, when it comes to coils, I think we should forget the Lorenz force and see the solenoid as a magnet with similar pole which will be facing a resistance when its coming anywhere near to a magnet. This vide helped me a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXPmYGIOs4

So I think whether we come down on the magnet or come to it from left or right, we will face the Lenz's law anyways From what I have seen, a single wire behaves very different than a closed lope (such as coil or a copper plate) when brought into a magnetic filed.

BR
Sam 

[dieter]

When it comes to coils we should forget the Lorentz force?? Are you serious? Lenz'law is all about the Lorentz force. People say Lenzfree but they mean Lorentzfree.
After all a coil is made of a wire. Where did that force go?


Peace

[life is illusion]

When it comes to coils we should forget the Lorentz force?? Are you serious? Lenz'law is all about the Lorentz force. People say Lenzfree but they mean Lorentzfree.
After all a coil is made of a wire. Where did that force go?


Peace

Hi dieter
After I say this, you are gonna hate me, but please let me know if you think I am wrong
In the following pic, in section A, we can see what Lorenz force predicts what will happen to the current carrying wire (current going away from us). Lorenz says that wire just moves towards right hand side of the magnet and moves away from it. But when ever I test this, the wire first takes off from the surface of magnet and then will go towards the right hand side and then it will attach to the right edge of magnet and if you give it some space, it will go to equator of magnet.

In section B, Lorenz says that a current carrying wire (current is coming towards us) will move to the left hand side of magnet and goes away from magnetic filed, but again the same thing happens: First wire takes off from the surface of magnet and then goes to the equator of magnet on the left side.

In section C, we can see that the same wire is looped and when this happens the whole coil will take off from the surface of the magnet and as we say it, magnet "repels" the coil

So, yes, I think Lorenz force is wrong, at least it is not complete and when we deal with current carrying solenoids which are facing surface of a magnet , we should forget about the Lorenz force, because Lorenz doesn't explain what happens in this section. At least this is my understanding of what happens in here. I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what you think about all these

I think the upwards movement of wires (In section A for example) happen because of the resistance the wire faces when they tries to move to the right hand side of magnet. Same thing happens when in section B, wire tries to move towards the left hand side of magnet. It faces a resistance and moves upwards. This resistance becomes stronger when we have a coil on top of a magnet. Right wires try to go to left and left wires will try to go to right and they end up taking off from surface of magnet.

Best Regards
Sam

[dieter]

Ok, but imagine the solenoid diameter is 50% of that of the PM...


Peace


BTW. what you labeled Lorentz Force is not the official definition, but my revision.
Officially it is the force, that somehow magically opposes any mechanical force that drives a generators shaft.

[tinman]

Hi dieter
After I say this, you are gonna hate me, but please let me know if you think I am wrong
In the following pic, in section A, we can see what Lorenz force predicts what will happen to the current carrying wire (current going away from us). Lorenz says that wire just moves towards right hand side of the magnet and moves away from it. But when ever I test this, the wire first takes off from the surface of magnet and then will go towards the right hand side and then it will attach to the right edge of magnet and if you give it some space, it will go to equator of magnet.

In section B, Lorenz says that a current carrying wire (current is coming towards us) will move to the left hand side of magnet and goes away from magnetic filed, but again the same thing happens: First wire takes off from the surface of magnet and then goes to the equator of magnet on the left side.

In section C, we can see that the same wire is looped and when this happens the whole coil will take off from the surface of the magnet and as we say it, magnet "repels" the coil

So, yes, I think Lorenz force is wrong, at least it is not complete and when we deal with current carrying solenoids which are facing surface of a magnet , we should forget about the Lorenz force, because Lorenz doesn't explain what happens in this section. At least this is my understanding of what happens in here. I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what you think about all these

I think the upwards movement of wires (In section A for example) happen because of the resistance the wire faces when they tries to move to the right hand side of magnet. Same thing happens when in section B, wire tries to move towards the left hand side of magnet. It faces a resistance and moves upwards. This resistance becomes stronger when we have a coil on top of a magnet. Right wires try to go to left and left wires will try to go to right and they end up taking off from surface of magnet.

Best Regards
Sam

Turn your magnets 90*,and bobs ya uncle,all is well.