Lenz free generator

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If you give it some thought, you will conclude that all devices whose operation is built around "changing" magnetic fields, all operate as both transformers and generators.  Murray's configuration enables one to investigate the relations between transformer and generator action from a slightly different perspective to the one we are versed in.  Many are mistaking his presentation for an end all.  It is not, many forget how old this topology is, and who perfected it to a high degree before abandoning it.  What we see here is far removed from the "ideal" physical geometry and yields the poorest relations between inducer and induced. 




You must try and understand how to establish the proper relations without reducing maximum coupling capability of the system.  If this is the direction you want to go in, keep in mind I do not consider it the right one, the following are a few prerequisites....


    - induced wave must be asymmetrical
    - stator coils and rotor magnets equal in number
    - identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced


The type of generator we are all after is not the type of generator we all build...  Appreciate what we have been given, understand that you have what you want already, comprehend that you always had it!  Recognize that this sought after thing was preserved by the very same individuals who inform us that it doesn't exist. You need not look any further than your conventional pulsed DC machine....I keep saying the same thing, check the record, unlike many, I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.

Lol, I am not mistaking this device for an 'end all'.  I have yet to really get started...  You must crawl before you walk.  I spent the entirety of last year focused on Jim Murray's SERPS concept.  I did not get very far..   Therefore, I built the prerequisite transforming generator in hopes that I may gain some insight into what it is that Jim is doing with his SERPS.


It is not that none of us are listening.  Maybe we are completing tasks that we had committed to before we stumbled upon this thread..  I fully intend on getting to investigating some of the concepts you've suggested.  Not all has fallen on deaf ears.




    - induced wave must be asymmetrical

Are you suggesting that the magnetic field should be asymmetrical or that the coil geometry should be asymmetrical to produce the asymmetry of which you speak?





- identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced

I am unsure of how much tighter I can couple a magnetic field with this configuration..  Does this 'maximum coupling' hint have anything to do with the coupling between the coils on the stator?  Or is it the coupling between the magnetic field from the rotor and the stator?


Thanks,

Dave

[i_ron]

I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

But presented as a riddle, perhaps if you changed the riddle into a guideline then more people would understand?

Just my two cents, 'cause people are listening, just waiting for something of substance

Ron

[i_ron]

Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it. 


I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator.  snip

It is a very interesting device.  It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output.  However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...

Dave

Great experiment Dave, thanks for sharing. It is along the line of some of my favourite patents Toroidal generators that is... so disappointing to hear of the increased draw.


Ron

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@Erfinder, thank you for all of that.  I will think about that when I pursue my  pulsed DC tests. 

Murray informed you people that the transforming generator was developed for exploring the difference between EMF and potential, is there is a difference.......that's no longer a question I need answered, ergo lack of question mark.



My dogma.

The transforming generator is a pretty simple, very effective learning device.  It may not be where you are trying to lead people but sometimes we have to take our own detours.  I am a visual, hands-on learner.  This is how I operate.  Somebody telling me something works doesn't really mean much to my intuitive understanding.


Jim Murray stated that there are aspects to the TG that he didn't fully pursue and that are worthy of further research..


Dave

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For crying out loud!  Murray shows you in a machine that you should expect increased consumption!  One's inability to comprehend how to take advantage of the consumption increase is not the problem of the person making the presentation.


I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.

Yes, there is definitely increased consumption as expected.  This is what I find interesting as Jim says that his machine was destroying energy at a rate of about 2:1.  I get similar results when I perform the test on my device of paralleling both outputs and short circuiting the windings.   I  get about 75 Watts worth of i^2R losses in the output windings and it takes about 150 Watts to run my prime mover.  It takes 30 watts to run the motor generator set with no load.   150W - 30W - 75W = 45W OF UNACCOUNTABLE POWER.  I don't think this is ending up as 45W of eddy currents..  I must do more tests but so far is does seem like it is disappearing energy..


Dave