Lenz free generator

[allcanadian]

@webby1

I have,, many years ago and that was while I was looking into the simple "limiter" that is built into all electric motors,, that little part known as a generator.
Another interesting note is that voltage drives current,, so you can apply an opposing voltage to the generator part and stop current from moving.

It may help to understand some have tried almost everything over the years and now operate on a level completely unknown to most. As such what you find so interesting is like saying one apple plus another apple equals two apples. That is, it is so obvious it fails to have any real meaning except to those who know almost nothing.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind your posts however if people want to move forward they need to think on a different level than what we see here. For instance you say "voltage drives current", no voltage does not drive current. What we call an electric field of force acts on charged particles causing them to move which we call an electric current... an "electric current". The sum of all forces dictate how the current of charged particles moves and it does not matter how the forces evolve only that they do. Thus we could use any number or combination of forces and not just "voltage" which is essentially a meaningless term.

You see I have given details which impart understanding relating to the how and why of things which moves the conversation forward unlike meaningless blanket statements like voltage drives current. I mean if we are going to bother talking then we may as well say something worth saying don't you think?.   

Here is something to consider, write down your thoughts for a few days then brush up on your self-analysis and critical thinking skills and review what you wrote down. You will find you haven't said anything new and in fact you just keep repeating the same old things over and over. Why is this?, because our old thoughts generally dictate how we think and unless we are self-aware of this habitual behavior we cannot change it. We must always be self-aware of our thinking in order to change our thinking and this enables us to do new things. The problem is not understanding it is that we have forgotten how to learn, learning how to learn by understanding how we think is the first step.

AC

[allcanadian]

@webby1

At some point in time have you not questioned the very nature of the interactions that are in play?

I have always questioned the very nature of all interactions on every level I know of then I questioned why I questioned them then I came to understand better answers follow better questions.

Does the magnetic field interact the same for all charge carriers.  Does voltage interact the same for all charge carriers?

Good question however what is the nature of the question?. I would change the question as the term "charge carrier" is ambiguous, is a charge the electron particle or the field associated with the electron and how is it carried?. Does the magnetic field or rather a motional electric field interact the same for all other particle fields?... I guess that would depend on how many other variables are involved. For instance if we had 52 variables there would be more permutations than there are atoms on Earth. It is quite large and the odds of stumbling upon the correct variation are near zero hence our dilemma.

Then you get left with,, What is a charge carrier?  Is a charge carrier a certain reaction to some observation of change between something?

The answer is dependent on the nature of the question...what is a charge carrier? A critical thinker might ask why do I think it is a charge carrier, why that terminology and not some other?. Why "charge" which is a meaningless term and not field property relating to a particle, why carrier when we do not know it is carried?. The field could move with a particle but not be carried if it is induced and this implies two forces are at work.

Simple questions for some,, or are they?

The question often tells us more about the person and their thinking than their answer ever could. It may very well be the solution cannot be found in the answer more so the nature or posturing of the question which led to their answer.

As long as there is room to change what a person understands they can learn.

I also thought understanding was the answer then I learned our mind is literally hard wired to comprehend all our surroundings in known ways. Our way of thinking is habitual thus in order to truly change our level of understanding and learn we must first change our mind. Learning new things also relates to un-learning and discarding old things which cannot co-exist.

AC

[Magluvin]

@webby1I have always questioned the very nature of all interactions on every level I know of then I questioned why I questioned them then I came to understand better answers follow better questions.
Good question however what is the nature of the question?. I would change the question as the term "charge carrier" is ambiguous, is a charge the electron particle or the field associated with the electron and how is it carried?. Does the magnetic field or rather a motional electric field interact the same for all other particle fields?... I guess that would depend on how many other variables are involved. For instance if we had 52 variables there would be more permutations than there are atoms on Earth. It is quite large and the odds of stumbling upon the correct variation are near zero hence our dilemma.
The answer is dependent on the nature of the question...what is a charge carrier? A critical thinker might ask why do I think it is a charge carrier, why that terminology and not some other?. Why "charge" which is a meaningless term and not field property relating to a particle, why carrier when we do not know it is carried?. The field could move with a particle but not be carried if it is induced and this implies two forces are at work.
The question often tells us more about the person and their thinking than their answer ever could. It may very well be the solution cannot be found in the answer more so the nature or posturing of the question which led to their answer.
I also thought understanding was the answer then I learned our mind is literally hard wired to comprehend all our surroundings in known ways. Our way of thinking is habitual thus in order to truly change our level of understanding and learn we must first change our mind. Learning new things also relates to un-learning and discarding old things which cannot co-exist.

AC

Is there a magnetic field produced by electrons flowing across a spark gap? If so, is it any different, as in denser, weaker, than the field produced by electron flow in a conductor?

Mags

[i_ron]

really....

what I know.....

Your supposition that I am offering you anything other than that which you have yet to recognize and claim is indeed interesting....

Well? how many faeries can dance on the head of a pin? I am sure you and all-canadian can tell us??? 

Yeesh, I have never heard so much non-nonsensical self aggrandizement in all my life

Ron

[allcanadian]

@Iron

Well? how many faeries can dance on the head of a pin? I am sure you and all-canadian can tell us??? 
Yeesh, I have never heard so much non-nonsensical self aggrandizement in all my life

I was raised on a farm and my feet have always been firmly planted on the ground in this respect but common sense won't get us where we want to go Ron. Let's cut to the chase, I have working FE devices and I have for some time which is how I know you and most others don't have a hope in hell of ever stumbling on to how it actually works. The odds are effectively zero because most do not fully understand what they already claim to know and have no new knowledge which allows them to move forward. As well, no, I'm not going to tell anyone how to do this anymore than any of you would for obvious reasons.

The insight which allows me to succeed is as follows, we cannot build something we cannot understand let alone imagine. We build until it is understood that what we are doing is not working then if were lucky we use self-reflection/self-analysis. Why is nothing working, what am I doing wrong, what am I missing and why can I not move forward?. Then we can start to lay blame or we can look at other people who have found success and understand they talk differently, they use different terminology, they think differently and see everything from a completely different perspective than most.

Logic would suggest normal common sense people never do extraordinary things because they think like normal people and not extraordinary people. Logic would suggest if we want to do something different we must first start by thinking differently which leads to new ways to look at everything and new idea's concerning common problems. Thus to say I want to be normal but do extraordinary things is to fail miserably... extraordinary thoughts invoke extraordinary events not mediocrity.

So please spare me your rhetoric implying joe blow down the street wallowing in his own sense of self-imposed ignorance and mediocrity is ever going to nail down this technology. That is non-nonsensical self aggrandizement because the people who we know have succeeded in the past were willing to put aside everything they thought they knew and believed in order to succeed... are you?.

AC