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Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy

Started by EMJunkie, January 16, 2015, 12:08:38 AM

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Void

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 17, 2015, 02:14:34 PM
That is a distinct possibility but so is not wanting to find out that he has made measurement errors or incorrect assumptions.
If it were me; I would want to know definitively what those measurements were.
I would not be afraid of the results either way nor would I be concerned if people wanted to challenge those measurements. That is how proper scientific experimentation works.

Hi Spilled Fluids.  For one thing, there is really no 'science' going on here. There are people doing informal tests and measurements
and that sort of thing. Also, the scientific method is most definitely not about people hurling accusations and insults and
whatever at other people because they don't like what they are seeing. In principle anyway, a scientist is someone who just applies the scientific
method to try to get a better understanding of things. All the irrational behavior that often goes on in these forums has nothing at all
to do with science. If someone wants to post a schematic and some circuit photos and not post any measurements that is up to them.
The circuit setup is pretty simple so anyone could try it for them self if they are curious.
All the best...



Spilled Fluids

Quote from: Void on July 17, 2015, 02:23:50 PM
Hi Spilled Fluids.  For one thing, there is really no 'science' going on here. There are people doing informal tests and measurements
and that sort of thing. Also, the scientific method is most definitely not about people hurling accusations and insults and
whatever at other people because they don't like what they are seeing. In principle anyway, a scientist is someone who just applies the scientific
method to try to get a better understanding of things. All the irrational behavior that often goes on in these forums has nothing at all
to do with science. If someone wants to post a schematic and some circuit photos and not post any measurements that is up to them.
The circuit setup is pretty simple so anyone could try it for them self if they are curious.
All the best...

An experiment is an experiment whether it be informal or formal and done in a laboratory.
The fact that these informal tests began with theory and schematics then followed on to a build is part of the scientific method.

When final measurements are not taken then the experiment is simply incomplete and no proper conclusions can be made.

While I don't 'know' that input<output can ever be achieved; I am fairly certain that it has not been and likely never will be.
This is not based on some blind faith but rather on reason and logic that has been demonstrated over and over with respect to the conservation of energy.

There always has to be a flow of energy so if something appears to put out more than it takes in, there is another source of input and it will meet the requirements of the laws of conservation.

Void

Quote from: Spilled Fluids on July 17, 2015, 02:43:03 PM
There always has to be a flow of energy so if something appears to put out more than it takes in, there is another source of input and it will meet the requirements of the laws of conservation.

I personally would state it a little differently, but you seem to agree with what I have been saying
above, that if more mundane explanations are ruled out, that there is at least a possibility that energy
is being drawn into the device in some way or form that we may not understand yet, and in such a case
it would not be a violation of the principle of conservation of energy.
All the best...


Spilled Fluids

Quote from: Void on July 17, 2015, 03:03:41 PM
I personally would state it a little differently, but you seem to agree with what I have been saying
above, that if more mundane explanations are ruled out, that there is at least a possibility that energy
is being drawn into the device in some way or form that we may not understand yet, and in such a case
it would not be a violation of the principle of conservation of energy.
All the best...

I also agree with you that the insulting and belittling behaviour is not part of the scientific method.
My own observation is that this kind of behaviour is mostly seen from the conspiracy, flying saucer, religious and completely deluded folks who do not do experiments and are in all likelihood incapable of doing any.
When individuals post a jumble of scientific words(word salad) that are supposed to make them look intelligent; they make themselves fair game and should be called out(politely of course). The trouble is that these individuals immediately revert to insults and other rude behaviours when challenged. That's because they often don't even understand what they are saying and usually have no understanding of scientific principles.

Sadly, the Internet has become a play ground for them because they cannot function in normal society.

Void

Hi Spilled Fluids, I personally think it is not at all as one-sided as you are suggesting, as many of the people
who believe themself to be very rational and reasonable and only relying on hard evidence and facts, etc.,
in actual practice can behave quite irrationally at times if they feel things they believe quite strongly to be
true are being challenged in some way. A recent example is the cold fusion thing. The two guys who made the
cold fusion claim were attacked and ridiculed from all sides by many in the scientific community; but, from what I
have read, since then more than a few researchers have taken up further research in this area and some have reported seeing
anomalous results in at least some cases. Nothing is proven yet either way in that regard, but there are apparently at least
some indications by independent researchers that there could potentially be something to it. The cold fusion guys weren't burned
at the stake by the UFO crowd, it was many in the scientific community who attacked and ridiculed them. That wasn't science.
That was much more like religious fervor. ;) Anyway, this is drfiting away from the topic at hand, which is currently mainly
about Tinman's tests and measurements, so I'll leave it at that. :)
All the best...